Since 2002, the Patriots are 99-18 when playing at home
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R.E.N. Spells Ren
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How about running the numbers and proving that. Your just making random statements holding the AFC East to a separate standard.
There hasnt been one other team from the AFC East seen as a legitimate SB contender during this Brady era. Thats pathetic, sorry. Ask the fans of the Dolphins, Bills and Jets how they feel about how their organizations generally have been run since 2002.
The majority of all them would bestatus cuz they have all been beaten into submission.
The only thing this shows is that the Patriots have DOMINATED this division. A quality division. That's a testament to how amazing this Patriot run has been.
The article I posted already addresses this notion that "changing best teams in a division" = "tougher division"...it's patently false.
You've been shown that:
1) AFC East has the best winning pct overall
2) AFC East has the best (or 2nd best, I can't remember) winning pct amongst non-division winners (effectively taking the Pat's performance out of the equation)
3) The AFC East's worst teams are the best of any division's
4) The AFC East has the best winning pct outside of its division
Only the NFC East can be argued as a better division over that time period
I don't know why I typed all this, it's clear you're just grasping at straws trying to find any way to avoid the truth that's looking you square in the face.
Ok great. I really dont care about this "truth" one way or another. Being in CT, Ive seen this division play a lot during this time. Numbers can lie, particularly when the Patriots have been historically great, the rest of the division gets fed easier schedules because they never win the division, i dont recall one team other than those jets to win a playoff game and NONE of the teams other than the Pats have been a legit SB contender during this period. The rest of the division has ranged between this years NFC South and this years AFC North pretty much every year since 2002 and by your standards those divisions are wack.
Agree to disagree.
Afc east is cheeks but the pats bout to dominate the overmatched afc this next month. Dont know if they can beat seattle
LexDiamonds
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The Jets once and the Ravens twice have punked them at home in the playoffs recently
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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You bring absolutely zero facts to this discussion.
Just to address your latest manufactured knock on the AFC East (since I'm bored at work), here's a look at the winning percentages of Wild Card teams by division since 2002:
1.) AFC East 0.556
1.) NFC North 0.556
3.) AFC North 0.533
4.) NFC West 0.500
5.) NFC East 0.467
6.) NFC South 0.444
7.) AFC South 0.300
8.) AFC West 0.167
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who is shytting on the NFC? its known that the NFC is been the strongest conference for years now.
read this thread. There are alot of people that will disagree. I mentioned that because I believe there was a thread this season on this topic
who is shytting on the NFC? its known that the NFC is been the strongest conference for years now.
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Creative use of stats, but other divisions have sent more teams, more times..as opposed to the four times afc east has done, perhaps only nfc west is similar.
Ok.
2002- Jets win wildcard after going 9-7 41-0 against Colts in New York (smashed Peyton). Got crushed 31-10 next round. That year was 9-7,9-7,9-7,8-8 for the Division. AFC North Year so the division sucked right? Ill give u the Jets win though, forgot about this one. 1-1
2003- Dolphins went 10-6 behind Jay Fiedler and Ricky Williams. Missed the playoffs via tiebreaker.
2004- Jets go 10-6, lose second round after an OT win in San Diego behind Pennington. Impressive win. 2-2.
2005- Division sucked, only Pats made it.
2006- Jets make it and lose by 21 to the Pats. 2-3 Bills and Dolphins both below average
2007- Bills go 7-9, Jets 4-12, Dolphins 1-15
2008- 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 7-9. Dolphins lose by 18 at home in round 1. 2-4
2009- Jets Conference Championship Year 4-5
2010- Jets 2nd Conference Championship Year 6-6
2011- Only the Pats make playoffs
2012- "" "" ""
2013- "" "" ""
2014- "" "" ""
So outside of the Patriots, the division was 6-6 in the playoffs since 2002. 4 of said wins were from 2009 and 2010 Jets and you cant tell me those teams were a legitimate SB contender or that Dolphins-Fiedler and Jets-Pennington teams were legit contenders either. Sidenote: Bills and Dolphins fans got it pretty bad
The AFC East may have been better than I had remembered but for the most part
No way in hell Fiedler, Pennington or Sanchez led teams were ever taken seriously as teams who could win the SB. Please tell me different Pats fans 
They have had a good division because outside of 2007, the division wasnt really too awful. Butat acting like the Pats have survived a hurricane of a division all these years
2002- Jets win wildcard after going 9-7 41-0 against Colts in New York (smashed Peyton). Got crushed 31-10 next round. That year was 9-7,9-7,9-7,8-8 for the Division. AFC North Year so the division sucked right? Ill give u the Jets win though, forgot about this one. 1-1
2003- Dolphins went 10-6 behind Jay Fiedler and Ricky Williams. Missed the playoffs via tiebreaker.
2004- Jets go 10-6, lose second round after an OT win in San Diego behind Pennington. Impressive win. 2-2.
2005- Division sucked, only Pats made it.
2006- Jets make it and lose by 21 to the Pats. 2-3 Bills and Dolphins both below average
2007- Bills go 7-9, Jets 4-12, Dolphins 1-15
2008- 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 7-9. Dolphins lose by 18 at home in round 1. 2-4
2009- Jets Conference Championship Year 4-5
2010- Jets 2nd Conference Championship Year 6-6
2011- Only the Pats make playoffs
2012- "" "" ""
2013- "" "" ""
2014- "" "" ""
So outside of the Patriots, the division was 6-6 in the playoffs since 2002. 4 of said wins were from 2009 and 2010 Jets and you cant tell me those teams were a legitimate SB contender or that Dolphins-Fiedler and Jets-Pennington teams were legit contenders either. Sidenote: Bills and Dolphins fans got it pretty bad
The AFC East may have been better than I had remembered but for the most part
No way in hell Fiedler, Pennington or Sanchez led teams were ever taken seriously as teams who could win the SB. Please tell me different Pats fans They have had a good division because outside of 2007, the division wasnt really too awful. But
at acting like the Pats have survived a hurricane of a division all these yearsThats my main point. And the teams that have made it were never taken seriously as potentially winning the SB..even when the Jets made the Conference Championship game twice in a row.
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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They're middle of the pack in games played by wild card teams.
No division leads in every imaginable category, I don't see any other cases being made for another division, because those divisions would get ripped to shreds if judged under the same metrics as folks are trying to judge the afc east.
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Doesn't matter unless we winning rings.
The fact the patriots have reached 5 superbowls in the last 15 seasons is amazing and potential a 6th appearance this year.
Brady may play in more SB than romo will win playoff games when it's said and done. Imagine that!
The fact the patriots have reached 5 superbowls in the last 15 seasons is amazing and potential a 6th appearance this year.
Brady may play in more SB than romo will win playoff games when it's said and done. Imagine that!
R.E.N. Spells Ren
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Ok.
2002- Jets win wildcard after going 9-7 41-0 against Colts in New York (smashed Peyton). Got crushed 31-10 next round. That year was 9-7,9-7,9-7,8-8 for the Division. AFC North Year so the division sucked right? Ill give u the Jets win though, forgot about this one. 1-1
2003- Dolphins went 10-6 behind Jay Fiedler and Ricky Williams. Missed the playoffs via tiebreaker.
2004- Jets go 10-6, lose second round after an OT win in San Diego behind Pennington. Impressive win. 2-2.
2005- Division sucked, only Pats made it.
2006- Jets make it and lose by 21 to the Pats. 2-3 Bills and Dolphins both below average
2007- Bills go 7-9, Jets 4-12, Dolphins 1-15
2008- 11-5, 11-5, 9-7, 7-9. Dolphins lose by 18 at home in round 1. 2-4
2009- Jets Conference Championship Year 4-5
2010- Jets 2nd Conference Championship Year 6-6
2011- Only the Pats make playoffs
2012- "" "" ""
2013- "" "" ""
2014- "" "" ""
So outside of the Patriots, the division was 6-6 in the playoffs since 2002. 4 of said wins were from 2009 and 2010 Jets and you cant tell me those teams were a legitimate SB contender or that Dolphins-Fiedler and Jets-Pennington teams were legit contenders either. Sidenote: Bills and Dolphins fans got it pretty bad
The AFC East may have been better than I had remembered but for the most part
They have had a good division because outside of 2007, the division wasnt really too awful. But
Care to do this 'analysis' for other divisions?
Never acted like they 'survived a hurricane of a division' for all these years, I refuted false statements that the AFC east was/is ass, and I did it with facts. Facts that you've been trying to dance around this whole thread.
Plus, this thread ain't about the AFC east, it's about the Pat's dominance, which after showing their dominance OUTSIDE of their division, begs the question: what the hell are you trying to argue?
If you want to count 1999 and 2001, the Rams made the SB twice, the Seahawks made the SB twice and the Cardinals and 9ers made it once each. The last time an AFC East team made the SB other than the Patriots was 1993.
Lets not even talk about conference finals appearances. Outside of the Pats..The NFC West had as many as the AFC East since 2002..just last year alone. 
AFC East as a whole has been more balanced and better than the NFC West until the last few years though without looking too in depth at it.