Since this is probably Kobe's last season playing, I guess it's time to admit

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Admit that he isn't better than Lebron.

My stance stems from a recent sports debate with the fellas about the best player since Jordan. Of course, Bean had staunch supporters, supporters that brought the usual angles, while I asserted the counterpoints I'm about to present.

First, I agree that five championships is greater than two.

But, I counter with the facts that Lebron has a better regular season and playoff scoring average.
He shoots better from the field, and from three-point over their careers making him, in fact, the better scorer.
He will surpass Kobe in rebounds this year, he already has more assists for their career, and Lebron is also the better defender.

Kobe had better teammates.
Here are the best fifteen players Kobe played with.
The players are arranged chronologically from Kobe's rookie year to now:
Eddie Jones, Van Exel, Elden Campbell, Shaq, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman, Ron Harper, Horace Grant, Robert Horry, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum

Here are Lebron's, also chronologically ordered:
Boozer, Ricky Davis, Ilgauskas, Dejuan Wagner, Larry Hughes, Szczerbiak, Donyell Marshall, Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison, Shaq (17 yrs exp.), Delonte West, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love

And this list doesn't include the comparison of lesser role players.
What does go unnoticed, even by me at first glance, is the fact that Kobe got to play with Rodman, Harper, and Grant, players that were heavily instrumental in the success of Michael Jordan, the player Kobe emulated. When these observations are combined with the fact that Phil Jackson was all five of the aforementioned players' coach, one can clearly see Kobe also had better coaching and simply belonged to a franchise with better management.

Kobe is, was, and always will be dope, but he ain't better than Lebron.
 

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when did kobe ever better teammates than wade/bosh in his career aside from Shaq?:jbhmm: he was playing along smush parker and kwame at the peak of his prime while lebron was with wade/bosh in their primes(wade's prime ended in their third year).


ron harper played with kobe when he was 35+.

same with malone.

caron one year.

horace grant one year when he was 38.

rodman played 23 games with kobe when he was 37.

Glen Rice was only there for 2 years, again after he was 30.

Gary Payton? One year, 35.

By the time Kobe was actually starting both Jones and Van Exel were gone.


yet you actually posted shaq's years of experience while blatantly ignoring the rest of this shyt.




This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a long time. I don't care if you think lebron is better than kobe, i don't agree, but trying to use "kobe had better teammates" with a shyt list like that with absolutely no context is about the dumbest fukking argument there is.
 

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LeGM chose his teams though. King Kobe didn't. You might wanna delete this thread and try again. There is a shyt load missing.
He wasn't "LeGM" in his first stand with Cleveland though. That power didn't come till after winning rings in Miami and when Dan Gilbert needed to give him that power to get him back.

I will say that Bron's seasons with chip caliber teams are catching up to Kobe's.
 

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maybe if he wasn't an antisocial psycho he would've been able to choose teammates
He didnt have to, he let the people in charge of that do their jobs, and came out a five time champion. Lbron, wanted to do the gms job, and came out a four time loser.
 

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He wasn't "LeGM" in his first stand with Cleveland though. That power didn't come till after winning rings in Miami and when Dan Gilbert needed to give him that power to get him back.

I will say that Bron's seasons with chip caliber teams are catching up to Kobe's.
And yet, even being LeGM, he still wont catch Kobe.
 

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maybe if he wasn't an antisocial psycho he would've been able to choose teammates
:russell:Weak Kobe hatin post, Jason Kidd Chris Paul and Kevin Garnett in their primes all wanted to play wit him and Gasol Artest and Matt Barnes had no problem playin wit him the last 2 chose to join his team after gettin in altercations wit him as opponents.
 

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LeBron is better than Kobe as an all time great, but not because of teammates unless you're going to use that crazy argument of "5>2", which can obviously be countered with "Shaq". Doesn't have more rings because he's better at basketball.
 

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when did kobe ever better teammates than wade/bosh in his career aside from Shaq?:jbhmm: he was playing along smush parker and kwame at the peak of his prime while lebron was with wade/bosh in their primes(wade's prime ended in their third year).


ron harper played with kobe when he was 35+.

same with malone.

caron one year.

horace grant one year when he was 38.

rodman played 23 games with kobe when he was 37.

Glen Rice was only there for 2 years, again after he was 30.

Gary Payton? One year, 35.

By the time Kobe was actually starting both Jones and Van Exel were gone.


yet you actually posted shaq's years of experience while blatantly ignoring the rest of this shyt.




This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a long time. I don't care if you think lebron is better than kobe, i don't agree, but trying to use "kobe had better teammates" with a shyt list like that with absolutely no context is about the dumbest fukking argument there is.

wade was only in his prime in 2011 (the 1st year) after that he was injured and flabby
 
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