Since this is probably Kobe's last season playing, I guess it's time to admit

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So even if LeBron doesn't win another ring you think he's better than Kobe?

Nah.... LeBron definitely needs to win a ring in Cleveland before you can put him ahead of Kobe
I've never believed that team accomplishments are a reliable measure of individual greatness.

How often is the best player on the championship team actually thought of as the best player in the league that year? It aligns sometimes, but even then its not necessarily a cause/effect relationship.
 

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Thought this was a thread acknowledging Tim Duncan as the quintessential player of his era but hey...you got to start somewhere and acknowledging that Lebron is better than Kobe is a start...
 

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Admit that he isn't better than Lebron.

My stance stems from a recent sports debate with the fellas about the best player since Jordan. Of course, Bean had staunch supporters, supporters that brought the usual angles, while I asserted the counterpoints I'm about to present.

First, I agree that five championships is greater than two.

But, I counter with the facts that Lebron has a better regular season and playoff scoring average.
He shoots better from the field, and from three-point over their careers making him, in fact, the better scorer.
He will surpass Kobe in rebounds this year, he already has more assists for their career, and Lebron is also the better defender.

Kobe had better teammates.
Here are the best fifteen players Kobe played with.
The players are arranged chronologically from Kobe's rookie year to now:
Eddie Jones, Van Exel, Elden Campbell, Shaq, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman, Ron Harper, Horace Grant, Robert Horry, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Pau Gasol, Andrew Bynum

Here are Lebron's, also chronologically ordered:
Boozer, Ricky Davis, Ilgauskas, Dejuan Wagner, Larry Hughes, Szczerbiak, Donyell Marshall, Mo Williams, Antwan Jamison, Shaq (17 yrs exp.), Delonte West, Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love

And this list doesn't include the comparison of lesser role players.
What does go unnoticed, even by me at first glance, is the fact that Kobe got to play with Rodman, Harper, and Grant, players that were heavily instrumental in the success of Michael Jordan, the player Kobe emulated. When these observations are combined with the fact that Phil Jackson was all five of the aforementioned players' coach, one can clearly see Kobe also had better coaching and simply belonged to a franchise with better management.

Kobe is, was, and always will be dope, but he ain't better than Lebron.


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LeBron is better than Kobe as an all time great, but not because of teammates unless you're going to use that crazy argument of "5>2", which can obviously be countered with "Shaq". Doesn't have more rings because he's better at basketball.
:childplease:"5>2" isn't a crazy argument its a fact, and "Shaq" can be countered wit "Wade & Bosh":ufdup:LeBron had to go to Miami to win and Kobe won without Shaq but LeBron hasn't won without Wade & Bosh. And:mjlol:@ doesn't have more rings because he's better at basketball, this is the dumbest post I ever seen on this subject.
 

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:childplease:"5>2" isn't a crazy argument its a fact, and "Shaq" can be countered wit "Wade & Bosh":ufdup:LeBron had to go to Miami to win and Kobe won without Shaq but LeBron hasn't won without Wade & Bosh. And:mjlol:@ doesn't have more rings because he's better at basketball, this is the dumbest post I ever seen on this subject.
hold dis L ...

1. Shaq > wade/bosh
2. Lebron does everything better than kobe (other than free throw shooting) and you can't disprove that
 

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hold dis L ...

1. Shaq > wade/bosh
2. Lebron does everything better than kobe (other than free throw shooting) and you can't disprove that
:umad:Hold this neg

1. Kobe winnin 2 without Shaq > LeBron not winnin without Wade/Bosh
2. LeBron doesn't shoot score or win better than Kobe and you can't disprove that:camby:
 
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