Since this is probably Kobe's last season playing, I guess it's time to admit

[Kings County]

kings should have a chip but the refs cheated so he really should have 4

maybe 3 who knows how long the cheating was going on

 

[Trill McClay]

"Kobe had better teammates."

 

[TripleAgent]

It speaks volumes about the shytty east more than anything. 7 teams entering the playoffs at .500 or worse is not a good look no matter how you slice it.

Came in to make this point. LeBron has spent his whole career on easy mode (the east). Kobe (and Duncan) faced much stiffer competition, and never really got to sleepwalk to the finals. Not LeBron's fault, totally, but a factor.

 

[Stack Money]

1. lebron had nobody last finals.. with the right team around him.. he will at least make the finals
2. again check out their fg and 3 pt % .. kobe scored 81 points against the worst team in nba history.. fg % > ppg

1. LeBron lost 3 other Finals in addition to last years Finalshe had the right team around him in Miami and he still lost twice makin the finals won't mean shyt if he loses again like last year
2. LeBron gets alot of FG up close so those numbers don't tell the whole story and Kobe shoots the 3 better than him, the Raptors weren't the worst team in NBA history but even if they were LeBron played against that same team and didn't come close to droppin 81FG% is not > PPG cause you can get a high % yet not score much but you need alot of points to win, smarten up

Shaq was the best player in the league in every single one of those championship seasons for LA. You can't say that for any team LeBron has been on in his career, and its silly to counter that with Wade & Bosh especially when the former could barely stay healthy with a myriad of injuries as the seasons progressed and the latter was relegated to being a high end role player.

Kobe won without Shaq but added a star in Pau Gasol and a staple of quality role players to give him support. Did you see how shytty the Lakers were before he got that help? I'm pretty damn sure LeBron can win chips in that same circumstance, and wouldn't have needed to leave Cleveland if they surrounded him with the same type of support to begin with. How many titles you think Kobe is sitting on with the Cavs? Rhetorical question b/c the answer is zero.

Kobe shoots 6-24 in a goddamn closeout game of the NBA Finals and his team still wins against the big three Celtics. Why? Because its a team sport. LeBron played far better than in the '14 Finals and his team still lost in FIVE games because his support was ass. Yet you'll still hold that series L against him to prove a futile point. Its mind numbing how stupid that is, just think about that.

You win rings in this league as a team. Having a dominant player helps, but they won't win jack shyt unless the role players (or stars) around them can step up and contribute in a big way when they need it most. Kobe has more rings because his support has fulfilled that role far more often than LeBron's, and that's it.

Shaq was "the best player in the league" yet Kobe had numbers just as good and even better than him durin their playoff run in 01

Wade was healthy for at least one of their runs and Bosh made clutch plays that won games for them in the postseason so you can't downplay them, if they were so irrelevant than LeBron would've won another ring by now without them.

Wade and Bosh > Gasol that Miami team was the best in the league and he only came away wit the same number of rings as Kobe's had since he's been in the league, and those Cavs teams won 60+ games havin the best record in the league and the #1 seed wit dikkriders like you sayin they would win the ship yet when LeBron came away empty handed suddenly yall whine about him not havin enough supportmeanwhile he never had a team as bad as those Lakers teams Kobe had durin his prime wit Kwame Brown Luke Walton Smush Parker etcand Kobe still took them to game 7 as a 8th seed vs the league's best Suns.

Kobe had one bad game LeBron came up small as fukk himself multiple times in postseason games includin not showin up in 4th quarters especially in the Finals so you don't wanna go down that road, you try to highlight Kobe's bad game and hold THAT against HIM yet sweep under the rug LeBron's several bad games over multiple postseasons and only bring up his performance last year to prove a futile point. It's mind numbin how stupid that is, just think about that.

Even some of your fellow LeBron dikkriders admitted in here he had better teams since he's been in the league and we all know that Heat team was better than any team Kobe had except maybe those Shaq teams but Kobe still won the same number of rings as LeBron got durin that same time span, and thats it.

 

[Sccit]

Kobe doesn't win any of the three championships Lebron lost if he plays on those teams. They get swept by the Warriors last year if you replace Kobe with Bron. Bron lost to the Spurs once, (though he should have lost twice), but last years Warriors team wouldn't have beaten that Spurs team from 2 years ago, the way they played in the finals, so replace Kobe and Bron, and you get the same result. They don't beat Dallas either, because Kobe and Wade couldn't play together at the time (Wade was not yet accustomed to playing without the ball), and Kobe dominates the ball. I'm not really a fan of either one, though i can appreciate how great both are. But some of y'all nikkas just be reaching to put one nikka above the other.

LOL PRIME KOBE WOULDA BEAT THAT WARRIORS TEAM 1-ON-5..STOP THAT

 

[Consumed]

Shaq was "the best player in the league" yet Kobe had numbers just as good and even better than him durin their playoff run in 01

Wade was healthy for at least one of their runs and Bosh made clutch plays that won games for them in the postseason so you can't downplay them, if they were so irrelevant than LeBron would've won another ring by now without them.

Wade and Bosh > Gasol that Miami team was the best in the league and he only came away wit the same number of rings as Kobe's had since he's been in the league, and those Cavs teams won 60+ games havin the best record in the league and the #1 seed wit dikkriders like you sayin they would win the ship yet when LeBron came away empty handed suddenly yall whine about him not havin enough supportmeanwhile he never had a team as bad as those Lakers teams Kobe had durin his prime wit Kwame Brown Luke Walton Smush Parker etcand Kobe still took them to game 7 as a 8th seed vs the league's best Suns.

Kobe had one bad game LeBron came up small as fukk himself multiple times in postseason games includin not showin up in 4th quarters especially in the Finals so you don't wanna go down that road, you try to highlight Kobe's bad game and hold THAT against HIM yet sweep under the rug LeBron's several bad games over multiple postseasons and only bring up his performance last year to prove a futile point. It's mind numbin how stupid that is, just think about that.

Even some of your fellow LeBron dikkriders admitted in here he had better teams since he's been in the league and we all know that Heat team was better than any team Kobe had except maybe those Shaq teams but Kobe still won the same number of rings as LeBron got durin that same time span, and thats it.

1) That graphic takes zero consideration into defense and how elite of a rim protector & post defender Shaq was, not to mention his dominance on the glass 2) need to add context about how much more frequently defenses keyed in on Shaq which gave Kobe more room to operate on the perimeter 3) That graphic is slightly off, Shaq led the team in scoring with 30 while Kobe sat at 29. Largely because of his dominance against the 76ers in the Finals where he rightfully earned FMVP.

Kobe didn't have just one bad game, he's generally been an inefficient finals performer throughout his career. Take a look at the two side by side and tell me if you notice a difference in performance on Kobe's side

KobeBryant:
37 games (23-14); 7 Finals; 5 Championships; 2x FMVP
42.7 MPG; 41% FG; 31% 3p; 88% FT; 25.3 PPG; 5.7 RPG; 5.1 APG; 1.8 SPG; 0.9 BPG

LeBronJames:
33 games (13-20); 6 Finals; 2 Championships; 2x FMVP
43.0 MPG; 45% FG; 33% 3p; 74% FT; 26.4 PPG; 9.6 RPG; 6.9 APG; 1.7 SPG; 0.5 BPG

So what exactly is it that Kobe's doing to get three more titles? Its for damn sure not performance. Is it possible that having Shaquille fukking O'Neal helped matters? Let's not even get into the 2000 championship where Kobe hadn't even come into his own as a player yet and that team still won it all on the back of arguably the most dominant player in league history.

I'm not downplaying Wade & Bosh at all as talents, but they just don't come close to what Shaq meant to Kobe as a teammate on those Lakers teams. That's what I'm getting at and you alluded to such here

Even some of your fellow LeBron dikkriders admitted in here he had better teams since he's been in the league and we all know that Heat team was better than any team Kobe had except maybe those Shaq teams

except maybe those Shaq teams

those Shaq teams

This is the point! And you're using the three rings that he won on those teams which gave him far more support than LBJ has ever had to gloat about 5>2. Its not a maybe, LeBron never had the opportunity to say his teammate was the best player in the game. And what do you mean by "that Heat team", because Wade was a shell of himself after 2012. Averaged 15 points per game in the '13 postseason that Miami still won and Bosh, while definitely an extremely vital player to their success, was nothing more than an exceptional role player. He scored 0 points in the closeout game against the Spurs and averaged 11 for the series. Much of his worth to that team came defensively.

What happened in '14? LBJ was dominant avg 28 on 57% but his team still lost because Wade and the supporting players were largely terrible. Wade was getting killed defensively by everyone he guarded while struggling to generate his own offense, and Bosh wasn't contributing enough offensively to make a difference. No sane person would pin that Finals loss on LeBron when you look at how terribly literally everyone but him performed. It was the same thing in the '15 Finals where the team was horrific without him on the floor and could not generate any offense outside of him. Yet you'll hold these two losses against him huh.

And its a myth that LBJ comes up smaller than Kobe in the postseason during pressure situations, he has the highest ppg average in NBA history in back against the wall do or die elimination games while Kobe has averaged 22.9. LeBron has a better conversion rate than Kobe on potential go ahead or game tying shots in the postseason, but let's run with this theory of Kobe's clutchness being the reason he has more titles. Get real. In truth, LBJ is one of the greatest pressure players in NBA history.

Yeah Kobe got the Lakers to game 7 against the #1 seed in '06, and what happened in that game? LeBron's done similarly great things with poor support around him in his career. The point is that Kobe didn't have to work with shyt talent for very long. The Pau trade happened two years after that.

And I'm nowhere close to a LBJ dikkrider, just can't stand when people blind themselves to the truth because they don't want their favorite player to be overtaken by a player who's even greater. The 5>2 argument is nothing more than a stan that doesn't want to accept reality.

 

[waltthizzney]

.......you really trying to insinuate Lebron is only good because of the system he plays in.....I hope not, ...cause if so, you just lost all credibility!!! I got my own opinion about Kobe vs Bron, but that last statement was flat out stupid!

how can the best player have holes in his game and depend on NBA reffing to bail him out

 

[Dominicansbelit]

1. LeBron lost 3 other Finals in addition to last years Finalshe had the right team around him in Miami and he still lost twice makin the finals won't mean shyt if he loses again like last year
2. LeBron gets alot of FG up close so those numbers don't tell the whole story and Kobe shoots the 3 better than him, the Raptors weren't the worst team in NBA history but even if they were LeBron played against that same team and didn't come close to droppin 81FG% is not > PPG cause you can get a high % yet not score much but you need alot of points to win, smarten up


Shaq was "the best player in the league" yet Kobe had numbers just as good and even better than him durin their playoff run in 01

Wade was healthy for at least one of their runs and Bosh made clutch plays that won games for them in the postseason so you can't downplay them, if they were so irrelevant than LeBron would've won another ring by now without them.

Wade and Bosh > Gasol that Miami team was the best in the league and he only came away wit the same number of rings as Kobe's had since he's been in the league, and those Cavs teams won 60+ games havin the best record in the league and the #1 seed wit dikkriders like you sayin they would win the ship yet when LeBron came away empty handed suddenly yall whine about him not havin enough supportmeanwhile he never had a team as bad as those Lakers teams Kobe had durin his prime wit Kwame Brown Luke Walton Smush Parker etcand Kobe still took them to game 7 as a 8th seed vs the league's best Suns.

Kobe had one bad game LeBron came up small as fukk himself multiple times in postseason games includin not showin up in 4th quarters especially in the Finals so you don't wanna go down that road, you try to highlight Kobe's bad game and hold THAT against HIM yet sweep under the rug LeBron's several bad games over multiple postseasons and only bring up his performance last year to prove a futile point. It's mind numbin how stupid that is, just think about that.

Even some of your fellow LeBron dikkriders admitted in here he had better teams since he's been in the league and we all know that Heat team was better than any team Kobe had except maybe those Shaq teams but Kobe still won the same number of rings as LeBron got durin that same time span, and thats it.

1. takes a team to win
2. lebron has a better 3 pt %

 

[Bigtymer301]

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[Bigtymer301]

how can the best player have holes in his game and depend on NBA reffing to bail him out

... I never said he was the best player. Iv'e never tried to argue that!! But to say he's only good because of a system is status. I'm no Lebron fan, but to say his success is system based is retarded. The nikka is good, thats not debatable.

 

[SuperNintendo Chalmers]

Lmao. What a dumb ass thread.

 

[Cadillac]

Love seeing Kobe fans and Lebron fans argue between each other

shyt is entertaining to watch.

 

[Originalman]

Good points OP. But I don't worry about who is better. I just am glad to day I saw one of the greatest dudes that has ever done it.

Also Kobe vs Lebron is similar to the shop MJ vs Magic when I was a little shorty. It really doesn't matter because dudes played the game differently even their interaction with teammates was different.

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Kobe is the better talent, LBJ the better player.

Kobe didn't get as many opportunities to do what LBJ has done, i.e play with shytty teammates.

We only got 1 season of Sycho Bean & 10 games when Shaq was injured.

I even remember when Gasol got injured under D'Antoni, Kobe was putting up 15 assist games on the reg.

 

[TheNig]

You know what's gone be the funniest shyt ever??

If LeBron, who picked and chose where he wanted to go so hhe could surrounded himself with superior talent, fukks around and retires with those two rings.