Since this is probably Kobe's last season playing, I guess it's time to admit

[Stack Money]

Another emotional bytchmade novel

You still here? Get a life loser. The "stat" is literally made up its not officially used in the NBA, claimin it paints a better picture of the game than actual box scores is the go to response from people reachin for fake numbers cause the real ones don't fit their narrative. I don't need to make them look fraudulent we all know LeBron had better teams thru his career those numbers are based on him playin wit those teams and I already pointed out he a front runnin stat padder which inflate those numbers as well, you gave me a link to a stan site I don't know about "actual" basketball descriptions (whatever that is) but the general consensus is LeBron ain't as clutch in the postseason cause his failures were so great almost as "great" as his successes.

Wade at less than 100% >>> the cluckhead, Shuttlesworth was an all star the year before goin to Miami and still played like one while he was there. The only people wit brain defects are you Bron stans you bein an autistic one (and I'm pretty sure by the way you talk you a white boy too), I been tellin you this whole time how Wade was batman you stay lookin at numbers like the autistic fukk you are but he led that team and showed LeBron how to win. The fact LeBron not only came to his team but didn't win before or after bein wit him and only won 1 more time once Wade got injured proves who the Batman was, you're incapable of explainin anythin includin how LeBron wasn't Robin aside from your selective stats. You're a little too obsessed wit makin long ass posts everyone on this site would call you out for makin rants this long, I'm sure you don't bytch as much in other threads but I don't care if you do this all the time that just tells me you really are a loser wit no life who catches feelins easily when someone disagrees wit you and can't stop naggin them wit your novels no one wants to read. This wasn't even a debate it was a troll thread wit light discussion, you turned it into a essay writin contest wit your incessant LeBron stannin.

I don't care what you think championships should be measured by and neither does anyone else, you need to start payin attention to the facts that most people don't think like you instead of desperately tryna change their opinions one futile novel at a time. Kobe runs the offense LeBron passively defers on his teams, there you go wit more factually stated opinions again. LBJ lost which is the reason he shouldn't get any level of FMVP consideration but of course your dikkridin ass justifies him bein in the discussion, Curry was just off when he did heat up there was no stoppin him and Iggy was torchin the Cavs they simply couldn't cover him without doubles and they ain't want to do it leavin Curry and those boys open.

LBJ stat pads he was gettin locked up alot and clearly couldn't cover his man who was the best player in the Finals which is why he got the MVP, LBJ clearly ain't on Jordan's level but as a LeBron slurper you'll try to ignore that reality. He's 2-4 in the Finals because HE wasn't there stop makin excuses thats just bytchmade, the Spurs finals he damn sure wasn't the best player on the court you do dodge his failures and make weak excuses like a typical stan and fail to appreciate the fact that he has few triumphs to speak of. Ironic how the stat boy ignores and downplayes the biggest stats 2-4 for LeBron and 5-2 for Kobe, whats amusin is you claimin I'M makin excuses after your backflips in logic for LeBron. I stated the fact that Magic had a good game he's been a way better playoff performer he came in the game winnin but I'm sure you'll give credit to his teammates even when they were injured and he was forced to play all five positions TRULY doin what its alleged that LeBron can do, LeBron had games like that on more than one occasion but you only remember his "triumphs" for you not to see that they were callin him "Tragic Johnson" mostly for those last few plays is pretty incredible but you a young LeBron tot you prolly weren't even alive back then.

1 & 2) He didn't lock down any of those guys they all got off, the major difference from the 2 series was Kobe Bryant.

3)

4) You didn't correct shyt Gasol's capable of makin plays but he rarely does it, Bynum bein their best defensive player detracts from Gasol bein a stopper on D. Kobe had support then, he had zero in the years before that. EVERYONE said he's soft you didn't watch their games but wit his talent and size that cat got punked on D far too often, look at you gettin butthurt lashin out like a female talkin bout my "sorry" Lakers don't tell me you on Gasol's dikk too. Your man LeBron's gonna be jealous, Gasol's play was soft at times thats a fact that every Laker fan knows far too well.

5) Most Laker fans believe that and even back then it was plenty people who believed it you know they exist cause you're aware that Kobe/Shaq is a debate in the first place its the reason that duo ended up implodin, of course the Kobe haters like you on here would say Shaq but plenty would say Kobe too just do your Googles and you'll see the consensus says Kobe > Shaq on those championship Lakers.

Stack Money is a pats yankees Cowboys and Duke fan

Oh and Alabama football

You stalkin me across different threads now, don't know where you got that bullshyt from but like I said in here I hate the Yankees its Pats Lakers LA Kings and Dodgers.

I don't even watch amateur college sports but by default I root for USC football and UCLA basketball.

Be a Lakers and Patriots fan brehs

I noticed your butthurt ass dappin up anyone who disses me before, last I checked Lakers and Patriots ain't rivals and play 2 different sports they mutually exclusive nikka.

 

[Consumed]

@Stack Money

@ you writin another book

Do you read books? None of this stuff is hard to regurgitate on a forum, your obsession over my post length here makes me think you're having a rough time coming up with responses to all this logic being thrown in your direction. Go ahead and re-read your post, tell me its not filled with venom and butthurt. Calling people autistic fukks because they don't support your hero over LeBron lol, direct that "u mad" meme to yourself and calm tf down. Then you pretty much just copy & paste what I say & add your own twist to it.

Starting to think you're Skip Bayless behind that screen. The Wade being Batman, LBJ having no clutch gene nonsense rhetoric are all his biggest talking points and hold zero credence in reality. Stats are a great way to show people that their "eye test" is faulty and biased. Of course, there are times when the eye test is more valuable than anything numbers can tell you, but this is not one of those situations. Saying LBJ doesn't show up in the playoffs and not acknowledging his place as an all time great on that stage, Wade > LBJ, Kobe > Shaq are all instances that do not favor the eyes of an objective viewer.

You keep saying "most people" and "everyone says" as if they're in this discussion or that you have any evidence to prove that consensus. This is the talk of a follower who jumps on popular bandwagons (Patriots & Lakers fan makes sense now) rather than forming an opinion on their own using their own reasoning. Its not downplaying Kobe to say that Shaq was the better player man, and if anyone is a stan here it's definitely you.

You weren't postin averages you literally posted game 7/last 2 minutes makin the mistake of highlightin isolated incidents yourself don't switch up now that I called you out on it, those elimination games still don't account for the rest of the series or any other bad games he had and you know it the fact you singlin out games period shows you not takin all his performances into consideration. Clutchness is more than just the last few minutes or a game 7 it has to do wit entire games and series winnin games as well and everyone knows he's a front runner so his stat paddin when they playin well is gonna make those shytty games look less shytty when his overall numbers are added up and his averages aren't "dominant" you just idolize him and are easily impressed by anythin he does which is why you don't have a leg to stand on in this discussion cause you comin from an emotional stan perspective

Maybe you don't know what the definition of a statistical average is, but his elimination games and game 7's are exactly that. Their Finals performances side by side are exactly that.

"those elimination games still don't account for the rest of the series or any other bad games he had

I just posted his postseason averages which do account for every series he's played, and he trumps Kobe in literally every statistic. But now we're ignoring that too and calling him a frontrunner. Can you actually prove this? Or will you just rely on the opinions of "most others" and your faulty memory laced with a high concentration of stannery.

Your problem is you want me to do your homework for you if you weren't such a stan your flawed memory would recall those moments or you would look for it yourself but I'm not as invested in this as you are so I'm not wastin time searchin for shyt to give a random person on The Coli

Ah, so you just don't feel like finding the information that supports your position! Maybe that's because it doesn't exist. If you can commit the time to match my posts in length, you have enough time to do a 5 min google search and post evidence for your assertions. Keep bringing up that graphic that conveniently leaves out the finals if you want tho.

No, the Manning analogy is not fitting and once again you offer zero rebuttal other than "b-b-but most other people say that he does!!!!111". They are on two different levels entirely in the playoffs. Manning's performs worse, LBJ as good if not better on average.

Lets address this "win 60 games and come empty handed" thing right now though. Best season the Cavs ever had with LBJ was in '09 (66 wins) LBJ drops 38/8/8 on 48% against the Orlando Magic in the ECF including three 40 point performances. How exactly do you pin that loss on him, I'm curious of your reasoning here as I'm sure you'll pull the most illogical, nonsensical form of reasoning out of your ass if Kobe's dikk isn't there already.

If you think the playoffs and regular season are the same, you haven't been watching basketball very long or have been so wrapped up in stanning Kobe that you aren't aware of the league circumstances outside of him. They are entirely different playing fields. Teams do not prep for the opposition in the RS the same way that they do in the playoffs over the course of a series making specific adjustments for each matchup and spending an enormous amount of time to prepare for game situations. Gasol & Shaq played great under these circumstances for three straight years, LBJ didn't have such luck in Miami and no such in Cleveland including this past season. Or did you not see when Kyrie and Love went down.

Kobe was the best defender on those Lakers he was lockdown back then so thats anchorin an elite defense

Another statement with zero to back it up. Shaq was the best defender on those Lakers teams I've given my reasoning which includes how his role as a protector of the most efficient spot on the court allowed him to have more influence on their defense. Kobe at no point was the best defender on an elite defense.

as a Laker fan I know Bosh was better cause he didn't play soft the way I had to witness Gasoft play and I already said Wade bein injured the last 2 seasons is why LBJ only got 1 more ring

Go ahead and explain how Bosh's play was anymore physical than Gasol. He did not bang in the post, he was not a good rebounder and did not protect the rim nearly as well. If he were a Laker I'm pretty sure you'd be calling him soft too. Heat fans criticized him for that exact same shyt. You think Dwight Howard of all people is soft and he's a physical beast, so why not Bosh? & Wade being injured in '13 but the Heat still winning destroys your point about LBJ needing Wade to carry him in order to win a title. He somehow managed to get even worse than that in '14 however, and wound up being a net negative for them in the finals.

Shaq still helped and was an addition bein better than most, and men lie women lie numbers don't the 06 Cavs record speaks for itself they were better get over it. I don't care what some random blogger no one's ever heard of says they prolly LeBron stans like you which is why you go to they site, that Cavs team wasn't even the worse Finals team that decade they were better than the Sixers and Nets we faced

Can't believe you're really bringing up fat & old Shaq right now. He was an addition as a role player, but his name far exceeds his actual value to that team. Was not 1/3 of the Shaq in LA. Lol at that numbers don't lie saying, but then you ignore when I post data that contradicts your point entirely. Numbers lie when you want them too, I'm sure. Fivethirtyeight is one of the most reputable NBA blogging sites out there, your assertion that no one's ever heard of them is not only naive but an obvious attempt to shield yourself from literally everything that screams LBJ > Kobe.

If you actually read the article, you'd see that it doesn't even say worst Finals team. It says worst Finals supporting cast. I'm referencing LBJ's support when I say worst team to make the Finals, no shyt LBJ there makes them more impressive than the Nets or Philly because he's twice the player Kidd & Ai ever were. That Nets team in '02 had Kenyon Martin as its leading scorer averaging 22 points per game while playing exceptional defense. That 76ers team in '01 had the 5th ranked defense in the league & a top rebounding unit which had very little to do with Iverson, & Mutumbo averaged 16.8pts/12.2reb/2.2blks as support. If nothing else, the 76ers defense would still be potent even if Iverson wasn't on the court. They had more around him than he did.

1) None of LBJ's teammates were better than he was defensively at the time, and his team went from a great defense to well below average when he left the court. In 2009, the Cavaliers defense was 8.2 points worse when he wasn't on the court. That's the difference between a top three and bottom ten defense in this league, and Kobe has never had that type of influence defensively in any season. I'm sure you'll ignore this too though because it suits your narrative.

Kobe locks most defenders down on an island don't be so literal, AI just had a bad game it happens

Kobe so good at defense he locks up defensive players now? & when Iverson has a bad game it happens but if Kobe were on the Bucks it would be a case of him locking Iverson down. Why did Iverson play better against the Lakers than Bucks who had a terrible defense? It just happens? But you'll be quick to say Kobe locked someone down if that off night just happens to coincide with him guarding them.

and unlike LeBron he stepped it up in the Finals when he saw a championship in sight. For the third time you not usin that word but you basically sayin he was carried again you tryna play semantics, to make the Shaq excuse about the "5>2" FACT is idiotic I'm sayin Kobe was better than Shaq and alot of people agree wit that even back then half of Laker fans said Kobe half said Shaq the general consensus wit NBA fans has become Kobe as the years have gone on but you around LeBron stans like yourself so obviously you gonna hear different. Its insane that you don't realize alot of people say Wade was the best and also think Kobe/Shaq isn't an argument, but you a LeBron tot so its not surprisin.

LBJ has better Finals averages than Kobe. You have nothing to support the assertion that Kobe steps it up more than LBJ when a title is in sight. For the third time I'm not using the word carry, so I don't mean carry. Your post is full of ad hominem in an attempt to distract from my position, and its failing pretty hard right now.

Again referencing these "a lot of people". About the 20th time you've done this

 

[Consumed]

@Stack Money

I don't need to explain shyt to you

Replace that "don't need to" with the word can't, as in you are incapable of explaining this point without referencing "most people".

2) Lol if you didn't care about my reasoning you wouldn't be matching my post length with replies. Duncan does have a strong argument, but you're too blinded by bias and standom to see it. He's arguably the best defender of his generation and you have personally stated that his offense was able to match Shaq in a playoff series. Given his two way dominance, how does he not have a case over Kobe.

3) Some slaps? Shaq got fouled a lot harder than that and I don't think you understand the human body if you think size made him impervious to harm especially when he's being exposed to more contact than anyone else in the league. There was no one who was more physically dealt with in the NBA than Shaquille O'Neal during his prime. I'm not underrating the energy jumpshooting takes, it doesn't have as big of an impact on you as literally living in the teeth of defenses like Shaq did. He was not standing under the paint all the time, he did have to rotate, cover ball handlers, run the floor in transition and box out defenders in order to grab rebounds which is a very physical part of basketball.

Kobe of today's legs are gone not due to energy but because his body has failed him physically and he no longer has the lift that he used to. Whether its the 1st of 4th Q, his jumpshot is terrible.

Shaq was a beast from day 1 in this league, and Dikembe didn't do anything different against Shaq in his younger years than he did as he got older. Shaq put up 28/12 that Finals so to imply that he struggled is rather foolish. Hakeem did outplay him and actually does have his own case over O'Neal (He's better than Kobe too, btw), but if that was Shaq in his respective peak (2000) the matchup outcome is different.

4) I mean, it changes your assertion that Kobe had way more assists. Way more would be a more proper way to describe Shaq's rebound total by comparison. Kobe in closeout games for his career is worse than LBJ so not sure why I'd pay attention to that performance.

The highest conversion rate for Kobe at the rim at any point in his career was in '01 at 64.7% on 456 attempts.

LeBron has been at 70% in all but two seasons of his career, one of which was his rookie year, and on a much higher volume of attempts. He reached a high of 79% in 2014 on 668 attempts.

Here's a shotchart for MJ from the years '89-92, 74% at the rim

and Shaq of course was as dominant a force we've ever seen within reach of the basket. It is a fact that those three were better finishers than Kobe, and they belong in their own category separate from him because of how much better they were able to convert as compared to him.

the difficulty in his shots are second to none while LeBron just barrelled thru the lane usin his size to clear the path since players ain't want that collision

According to what. What is there that suggests Kobe's attempts at the rim are the hardest ever. This is the type of fanboyish stuff that doesn't belong in a legitimate argument between two great players. Hyperbole galore in your posts, more exaggeration than factual information. How LBJ got into the paint is irrelevant, fact of the matter is that he was more effective than Kobe once he got there.

That makes them incomplete, they don't encompass the entire postseason and its funny that you didn't provide which game it aired during. What stat of LBJ's did I exclude? Pretty sure I provided you with all of his averages which include those poor moments that your selective memory highlights, and defense/rebounding is a part of basketball so I do believe it belongs in a player discussion. The only reason its seen as though opposing teams had no big men is b/c of how dominant and a physical anomaly that Shaq was. If its harder for teams to match up with Shaq than Kobe, you don't just give him a handicap because of this. And go ahead and list these big men that "owned" Shaq before the dynasty era, which was prior to his peak as a player.


The creator of PER is currently a general manager in the association so I'm pretty sure its used in the NBA, and with ESPN making it so publically visible by placing it in plain sight in every player profile its become a very prominent part of player evaluation. In fact, executives will use most stats they can find that'll indicate a trend for prospective or current players. Its their jobs to gather all the data that they can in order to make the best judgements possible. Adv stats do paint a better picture of the game than box score stats, you just don't understand how they actually work which leads to you downplaying their role. & in this case, stats blatantly prove the consensus wrong as Kobe shoots worse than LBJ in clutch situations and plays worse than LBJ in the postseason on average which I'm sure the uninformed would be quick to assume the opposite.

I like how you didn't give any reasoning for injured Wade being better than odom, other than three greater than signs. Compelling argument. Ray Allen was an all star TWO years before he signed with Miami, and he did not play like one when he was there. He shot worse from three despite getting more wide open looks than he's ever gotten in his career and his mid range game deteriorated.

You had no problem using numbers to argue Kobe over Shaq in that graphic. But now that LBJ kills Wade there they aren't valid, right. That makes no sense. LeBron was not the robin because he was by far the most assertive player on that roster, controlled the offense more than anyone, was the most reliable and best player in the association in every single campaign. Wade played the clear 2nd fiddle to LBJ every year since 2011. Calm down Skip Bayless.

So LBJ stat padding is your best argument against him killing Kobe in all of those metrics. Thats a poor attempt at defending your position and I;m disappointed for you. FMVP does not mean best player in the Finals, generally best player on the winning team but even then that can be awarded incorrectly (Curry > Iggy, Frazier > Reed). You said LBJ does nothing on Jordan's level, I gave you three things he does on Jordan's level, and you ignored it b/c you don't have an argument against it. LBJ has been the best player on the floor in 4 of those 6 finals. Thats a better ratio than Kobe can claim. He was not the best against SAS in '07, but for damn sure in '14. Again you deflect blame from Magic more than you'd ever do for LBJ, and refuse to acknowledge that his great games far overshadow the poor ones.

Ironic how the stat boy ignores and downplayes the biggest stats 2-4 for LeBron and 5-2 for Kobe

This right here is my problem with the ring argument. No context whatsoever, just 2-4, 5-2. Ignoring the fact that LBJ has actually been better than Kobe in the Finals on average. In the '09 ECF, he played better than Kobe who faced the same team in the Finals.

1 & 2) He did a great job on his man but the Magic were able to generate offense away from him consistently. Explain how the major difference of the two series was Kobe, when he played worse basketball.

3) I guess positing a emoji here is your way of admitting that you have zero rebuttal for that performance.

4) So Gasol averaging two blocks is barely making plays. I never said Gasol was a stopper on D, but that his size made him a good matchup for Dwight Howard because of his lack of counter moves to punish a player with that stature. Bynum was exceptional as well. Kobe's lack of support in the three years post Shaq is on par with LBJ in Cleveland, and lets not pretend as though Odom wasn't a quality contributor for them (as was Phil Jackson).

Again referencing other people, anyone that calls Howard soft doesn't have an ounce of understanding of his game or what makes him a dominant player in this league. He can be criticized for a lot of things, but being soft isn't one of them.

5) How about you look up that information and provide it to this discussion. Instead of constantly referencing other people and the consensus as if its common knowledge or even worse telling me to google something, you prove such since its your position.

 

[A.Boyd]

no need for that

with the rise of the analytics every inefficient chucker is gonna be downgraded heavily

it already happened with AI (well except on here since coli lives in 2003)

I absolutely agree. I follow the Houston Rockets, so I fully understand the importance of analytics, and how its application will change how we view many NBA players and their careers.

 

[A.Boyd]

when did kobe ever better teammates than wade/bosh in his career aside from Shaq? he was playing along smush parker and kwame at the peak of his prime while lebron was with wade/bosh in their primes(wade's prime ended in their third year).


ron harper played with kobe when he was 35+.

same with malone.

caron one year.

horace grant one year when he was 38.

rodman played 23 games with kobe when he was 37.

Glen Rice was only there for 2 years, again after he was 30.

Gary Payton? One year, 35.

By the time Kobe was actually starting both Jones and Van Exel were gone.


yet you actually posted shaq's years of experience while blatantly ignoring the rest of this shyt.




This is one of the dumbest threads I've seen in a long time. I don't care if you think lebron is better than kobe, i don't agree, but trying to use "kobe had better teammates" with a shyt list like that with absolutely no context is about the dumbest fukking argument there is.

I'm glad you disagree with my analysis, but the blatant disrespect expressed near the end of your post is ignorant, and presents one who lacks the ability to make a point without belittling others' perspectives.

In other words, grow up.

Now, take a look the teammate history of both these players again.
Disregard the obvious advantage in skill level Kobe's mates had; what stands out?

You got it, the very thing most posters cite as the reason Kobe is better: championships.

Kobe played with more champions, period.
That means he had better teammates. Period.
And don't try to skirt around the fact that LeBron has never played with another player that was clearly better than him, ever.
That means Kobe had better teammates.
Can you follow this logic? Or nah?

 

[A.Boyd]

LeGM chose his teams though. King Kobe didn't. You might wanna delete this thread and try again. There is a shyt load missing.

Who presented anything about LeBron being a better GM than Mitch Kupchak?

I'm arguing better player.

You wanna keep up, then try again?

 

[A.Boyd]

He wasn't "LeGM" in his first stand with Cleveland though. That power didn't come till after winning rings in Miami and when Dan Gilbert needed to give him that power to get him back.

I will say that Bron's seasons with chip caliber teams are catching up to Kobe's.

I agree; LeBron has had some good teams, as of late.
I believe if he had Love or Kyrie in the Finals, LeBron would have gotten another ring.

 

[A.Boyd]

5>2

I stated that in the OP.

Care to look at rebounding, fg%, 3pt.%, assists, points, and blocks stats, please?

 

[A.Boyd]

1. How do you counter player A (Kobe) having more championships with player B (LeBron) having better regular season stats

2. Prime Kobe didnt play with Eddie Jones, Van Exel, Campbell. And Rodman, Harper, Grant were larry holmes status on the Lakers.

3. 5 > 2

1. I didn't compare the two; I was stating facts.

But it does seem as though people around here don't understand the Lakers' championships have more to do with ALL the players and, at the time, one of the best run front offices.

2. How many championships do Rodman, Harper, and Grant have combined?

Would you agree that Eddie Jones was better than Kobe when they played together?
LeBron has not had the pleasure to past with a single player better than him.

Kobe has played with multiple players at different positions during different seasons; it wasn't just Shaq.

 

[A.Boyd]

Kobe is so great, he had to have an Achilles tear(at 35 years old) for people to start shytting on him

Sir, reread the last line of my original post laugh at your stupidity

 

[A.Boyd]

4 Finals losses & 2011 epic choke job will always keep behind Kobe..

I ain't never seen Kobe get shut down in the Finals by Boris Diaw

But I did see Kobe shoot the Lakers out of the Finals against the Pistons.

He shot 38% from the field for 22.6 points per game with the championship on the line.

 

[A.Boyd]

Why do you stans always act like he spent most of his career with Smush and Kwame? Without them in those two seasons, the scoring outbursts of 81 etc never happen.

And these are the same clowns that don't understand just how dominant Shaq was.
One could have literally paired Shaq with 5-10 other guards, and the Lakers still would have won those chips.

 

[A.Boyd]

Lmao this clown posted Shaqs experience but ignored Karl malone and payton and acting like Kobe was mvp player playing with eddie jones

How many times have Payton and Malone been to the Finals combined?

You do realize Hall of Fame players teach younger players things, right?

The fact that Kobe really didn't have a decent season with 80 games played also hurts your argument. Kobe took a backseat to Eddie Jones, while LeBron came in the league the best player on his team.

So we agree that LeBron never took a backseat to anyone, correct?

 

[A.Boyd]

That doesn't change the fact that Kobe HAS had better teammates. Since we are ignoring career length with the 5-2 argument (it's 2-2 since LeBron entered the league) let's look at how many years each had better teammates.
1997-2005 Kobe
2006-2007 LeBron
2008-2010 Kobe
2011-2016 LeBron

I count 12-8

And to be fair, I think prime Kobe would have won with the Heat and prime LeBron would have won with the dominant front lines Kobe had in LA so ring count doesn't tell us much.

You sir have expressed good logic with that statement.

So many guards, and other good players at other positions, would have won with Shaq.

And I agree, Kobe paired with Bosh and Wade would have run the league.

 

[A.Boyd]

Kobe and LeBron are two different types of players. Kobe's focus was on scoring and LeBron's was passing and making his teammates better. Kobe has played on better teams than LeBron, but LeBron has done more with less. Although Kobe has more rings, I think history will be more kind to LeBron because of his likeable personality, willingness to pass and his freak of nature athletic dominance for a decade plus.

I agree; these are two different players, they even play different positions.

I just want to be clear; there are aspects of basketball I believe Kobe is better than LeBron.

Believe it or not, after Jordan, there isn't a player in the world that I want taking the last shot, while DOWN, than Kobe Bryant.

He believes in himself so much that I would too.

LeBron is going to try to make the right play; Kobe is going to try to put the fukking ball in the basket, period.