Sinful nature of man: Why deliverance is necessary

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you ever question what sense it makes to pray to the maker of your torment¿*
Imma chime in, I haven't questioned this per se but I have questioned what sense does it make to pray to an all-knowing, God. But the answer I got was humility will you be humble enough to ask for whatever you need in your life?
 

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Imma chime in, I haven't questioned this per se but I have questioned what sense does it make to pray to an all-knowing, God. But the answer I got was humility will you be humble enough to ask for whatever you need in your life?
that's easy to admit when you need something

but when you are suffering beyond understanding crying out

yet there's no response

what type of relationship is that¿

how far would you pursue someone that treats you that way or allows you to be treated that way¿

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that's easy to admit when you need something

but when you are suffering beyond understanding crying out

yet there's no response

what type of relationship is that¿

how far would you pursue someone that treats you that way or allows you to be treated that way¿

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That's an abusive relationship.. being a good Christian is a shyt eating contest :mjlol:

At least in old testament days God would tell them to kill, pillage, and rape their neighbors :ehh:
 

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If this is all part of his plan then what was one lil prayer gonna do

He wants me in misery like Eren

Until the day I want my vengeance and take him down :angry:
 

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I may have ruined a new sweater earlier because I was wearing it while brushing my teeth

What tf did I do to deserve this? I was doing a good deed and brushing my damn teeth in turn taking care of myself
 

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that's easy to admit when you need something
Who doesn't need something? Even if you gain every material thing in the world you will need someone to protect it and maintain it for yourself and for generations. Pray that your guards and servants don't turn against you. Pray robbers don't take your things and if they do it's something that's replaceable. Etc
how far would you pursue someone that treats you that way or allows you to be treated that way¿

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If it's a power who holds all the chips and is omnipotent then I'm never stopping the pursuit. Christ had to be mistreated and suffer so why not believers also?
 

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you ever question what sense it makes to pray to the maker of your torment¿*

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If you believe God is just, then you must believe he would never punish you for the sins of your ancestors…unless you continue their wicked ways.
I dunno about this. There are many many many biblical examples of God literally doing this. Everything from ham, to esau, to Cain, to generations of israelites in Iran, to generations of Israelites in Syria, to generations if Israelite in Egypt, to generations of israelites under Roman opression, to even the reason your cousins live in Cleveland or Atlanta instead of the garden of Eden. I'll stop here for now, but I think you get my point.

And this is before quoting verses like Dueteronomy 5:9 , where God himself tells you that he will punish countless innocents for the deeds of their grandfathers.



Why can't we just accept God exactly the way he is presented in the Bible, instead of picking and choosing his attributes ? I worry that we stray into idolatry by exalting the portions of God that are pleasing to the wishes of man.
 
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I dunno about this. There are many many many biblical examples of God literally doing this. Everything from ham, to esau, to Cain, to generations of israelites in Iran, to generations of Israelites in Syria, to generations if Israelite in Egypt, to generations of israelites under Roman opression, to even the reason your cousins live in Cleveland or Atlanta instead of the garden of Eden. I'll stop here for now, but I think you get my point.

And this is before quoting verses like Dueteronomy 5:9 , where God himself tells you that he will punish countless innocents for the deeds of their grandfathers.



Why can't we just accept God exactly the way he is presented in the Bible, instead of picking and choosing his attributes ? I worry that we stray into idolatry by exalting the portions of God that are pleasing to the wishes of man.
Ok, is there a greater atrocity worse than the slavery in the Americas?

The answer is no.

Then why are the children of slave owners prospering today?

Ben afflecks ancestors owned slaves. See how comfortable he is living? That’s just one example. What about Trump? His father was recorded in a newspaper back in the early 1900s as being a member of the ku klux klan. See how comfortable he’s living?

The greatest trick ever pulled on the masses is the idea of waiting till judgement day for all evil doers to be dealt with. Or to turn the other cheek.
 
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Who doesn't need something? Even if you gain every material thing in the world you will need someone to protect it and maintain it for yourself and for generations. Pray that your guards and servants don't turn against you. Pray robbers don't take your things and if they do it's something that's replaceable. Etc

If it's a power who holds all the chips and is omnipotent then I'm never stopping the pursuit. Christ had to be mistreated and suffer so why not believers also?
every thought is a prayer

so you follow not because it's right but because the creator is all powerful & you are weak thus having no choice¿

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the maker of the driver the car & the road made all things knowing they were fatally flawed

then the fault is the ignorant individuals who had no choice in the matter¿

don't answer to protect your perspective

don't spin it off

reason & see how senseless it is

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your own idea of good and evil are what torment you
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perhaps, you should learn why I am foolish
Nimrod proclaims to Abraham that we should worship fire. Abraham responds that water puts out fire. So Nimrod declares they worship water. Abraham responds that clouds hold water. So Nimrod declares they worship clouds. Abraham responds that wind pushes clouds. So Nimrod declares they worship wind. Abraham responds that people withstand wind.

 
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every thought is a prayer
Proverbs 12:5 The thoughts of the righteous are right: but the counsels of the wicked are deceit.
so you follow not because it's right

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Your original question was "how far would you pursue someone that treats you that way or allows you to be treated that way"

You didn't ask for justification you asked "How far". Not whether it was right or wrong but "how far" so let's not straw man here.

because the creator is all powerful & you are weak thus having no choice¿
In relation to the all mighty yes a mere coli poster like yourself and I are weak(er) in comparasion. @010101

Why would I be prideful and spiteful towards something greater than myself. That's silly. Even in eastern religions, you have to overcome the ego.

Walking around and saying "I'm @010101 stronger than the infinite" is dumb as hell. Your human body itself has limitations. Just try holding your breath straight for 20 to 30 minutes and see just how strong you are bruh. And if you want to go "I am not the body route." How is it your soul is encased in something that's corruptible and will eventually age and decay? If you're all that powerful?

Matthew 5:5 - Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Isaiah 45:9 - Woe to him who strives with him who formed him, a pot among earthen pots! Does the clay say to him who forms it, ‘What are you making?’ or ‘Your work has no handles’
 

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your own idea of good and evil are what torment you
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perhaps, you should learn why I am foolish


shut the fukk up ha

you can't spin me with the mystic bs

you can't cause a person harm then convince them you are helping them & be in the right

ain't no way to be a liar & a thief & be just

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