Skip just said CP0 is not a superstar

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Compare Westbrook to Lebron James, brehs

The principle of athleticism obviously went over your head.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Score more efficiently and dominantly, command far more defensive attention, finish at the rim, etc.

Paul is obviously the better ball-handler, passer, and better at controlling the pace of game but Lebron is still elite in those aspects on top of being an athletic anomaly with 70 LBS, plus 6 inches, and such.

It was a rhetorical question - outlining why one shouldn't undervalue athletic ability.

Westbrook also is the more dominant scorer, commands more defensive attention and gets to the rim better.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

The principle of athleticism obviously went over your head.

OR the cocept of logical comparison is above yours.

Yes, clearly the latter.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

OR the cocept of logical comparison is above yours.

Yes, clearly the latter.

That's because you CHOSE to see it in different light than it was intended. Just like you choose to see other things that aren't actually there.

 

[LurkMoar]

hold up nikkas comparing cp3 with lebron ?



fukk this thread

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

That's because you CHOSE to see it in different light than it was intended. Just like you choose to see other things that aren't actually there.

No, Im looking at the argument logically and concluding that it's a fundamentally flawed, false comparison.

The poster posed that the only advantage Westbrook had as a player over Paul is superior athleticism. A fair point. You responded by making a comparison to the best player in the league, inferring that Lebron's only advantage is also athleticism, which is clearly not true. A nonsensical analogy.

I can see these things that arent there for you because Im looking at them through the lense of simple logic, a factor by which you're apparently unburdened.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

It was a rhetorical question - outlining why one shouldn't undervalue athletic ability.

Westbrook also is the more dominant scorer, commands more defensive attention and gets to the rim better.

False.

Westbrook GETS to the rim more often. But he is not a great finisher, particularly for someone with his athleticism. Paul finishes significantly better around the rim.

He's also the better 3pt shooter by 6 percentage points (the difference between being solid and bad).

Russ scores 22 a game on 44% shooting. CP scores 19 on 47% shooting. What that boils down to is CP makes one less bucket a game, but TAKES 3 less. That means more efficiency and more shots for the rest of the team, especially the all-NBA forward. Definitely something to look for in your point guard.

 

[I AM WARHOL]

" nuances??"

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

No, Im looking at the argument logically and concluding that it's a fundamentally flawed, false comparison.

What would you know about logic when you can barely follow your own warped sense of reasoning?

The poster posed that the only advantage Westbrook had as a player over Paul is superior athleticism. A fair point. You responded by making a comparison to the best player in the league, inferring that Lebron's only advantage is also athleticism, which is clearly not true. A nonsensical analogy.

That's because you refuse to read between the lines.

I can see these things that arent there for you because Im looking at them through the lense of simple logic, a factor by which you're apparently unburdened.

You pick and choose when to use logic when it suits your agenda. See: your Kobe-complex.

 

[Regular_P]

This thread's been completely derailed, but Chris Paul's usually been very good in the playoffs. Those New Orleans teams were undermanned and anyone saying Griffin/Jordan haven't been getting manhandled by Memphis the past two seasons is lying. Blake averaged 13 a game against the Grizz last year and was getting bullied by Z-Bo so much that I wouldn't be shocked if Randolph was giving him swirlies after the game. Jordan has been completely irrelevant in the postseason.

With a real coach on the sidelines instead of that clown Vinny, I fully expect them to win round one. They should beat OKC too unless Durant is other worldly and puts up 37 a game on them (entirely possible).

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Westbrook also is the more dominant scorer, commands more defensive attention and gets to the rim better.

False.

Westbrook GETS to the rim more often. But he is not a great finisher, particularly for someone with his athleticism. Paul finishes significantly better around the rim.

I said 'gets to the rim better', I didn't mention anything about finishing, yet ONCE AGAIN there you go putting words in my mouth.

If you wanna go down that road, Westbrook is a better finisher and better at getting into the paint - better at finishing in traffic, better at finishing over opponents etc etc. And before you start quoting %s, CP3's ATR makes/attempts aren't an accurate reflection of his ability:

Westbrook (full season, 12-13) - 324 out of 529 - 61% - that's a percentage of a great finisher
CP3 (full season, 12-13) - 101 out of 141 - 70%

Surely I don't need to explain the percentage drop/volume law to you.

IHe's also the better 3pt shooter by 6 percentage points (the difference between being solid and bad).

Granted yes, CP3 is the better shooter. Better shooter doesn't always equal better/dominant scorer.

Russ scores 22 a game on 44% shooting. CP scores 19 on 47% shooting. What that boils down to is CP makes one less bucket a game, but TAKES 3 less. That means more efficiency and more shots for the rest of the team, especially the all-NBA forward. Definitely something to look for in your point guard.

There you go again, continuing to ignore the Thunder's win success when both of them play and how the team is built.

 

[DoubleJ13]

at Cari asking Skip why he's trolling Stephen A.

 

[Rell84shots]

Steven was doing everything to ride for Chris Paul.

Skip was sohh smooth tho.

How many finals has he been to?

How many conference finals


bu bu bu bu every coach will say Chris Paul is a superstar


Nah, they wont

How many has Carmelo been to? Skip constantly calls Melo a superstar and he calls Harden a superstar as well even though he was a no show in the finals, Skip is one of the most biased analyst on television and that's never been more apparent then with his Tebow & Manziel love.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

What would you know about logic when you can barely follow your own warped sense of reasoning?

That's because you refuse to read between the lines.



You pick and choose when to use logic when it suits your agenda. See: your Kobe-complex.

There's no lines to read between. You tried a terrible analogy and it failed. Learn and come better next time.

Your attempts at countering the stats also fall flat because you feel the need to reach back to last season to try to cobble together an argument when we're talking about the current NBA climate. Both players missed some time this year but both still played in a large majority of games and amassed a more than adequate amount of attempts to draw meaningful conclusions from. You want to argue that if CP took more attempts around the basket that his percentage would certainly fall. But Westbrook took less attempts this season than last and his percentages did not improve - they got worse. None of the data suggests that Westbrook is a better finisher, thats just your faulty eye test telling you that. Same goes for better scorer. About all you can say is he TRIES to score more and technically he scores 3 more points. But if he only makes one more basket a game and hes less efficient, can you really claim him to be the better scorer?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

There's no lines to read between. You tried a terrible analogy and it failed. Learn and come better next time.

Nothing terrible about it, the problem is yall dudes stuck on that PP, continue to use that tried, turgidity reasoning that athletic PGs don't have the same impact that pass-first point guards do.

Listen to what folk is telling you, and may be you won't jumped to so many conclusions from the pre-determined bullshyt you group 'certain' dudes in, next time.

Your attempts at countering the stats also fall flat because you feel the need to reach back to last season to try to cobble together an argument when we're talking about the current NBA climate.

There's virtually no difference between last season and this season, you're acting as if I dug up stats from 10 years ago. This season wasn't a fair assessment due to both of them missing a good amount of games.

You want to argue that if CP took more attempts around the basket that his percentage would certainly fall. But Westbrook took less attempts this season than last and his percentages did not improve - they got worse.

What the fukk did I just say this season wasn't fair to both of them? A good majority of those games Westbrook was still finding his feet, it wasn't an accurate representation of his ability.

None of the data suggests that Westbrook is a better finisher, thats just your faulty eye test telling you that.

No that's just your biased against him. He's a better finisher. End of story.

Same goes for better scorer. About all you can say is he TRIES to score more and technically he scores 3 more points. But if he only makes one more basket a game and hes less efficient, can you really claim him to be the better scorer?

He's the better scorer. End of story.