Slavery was Capitalism's best friend

[Poitier]

duh

 

[MajorVitaman]

capitalism being tied to slavery is not good of enough reason to try dismiss capitalism, because capitalism is the only way black people will ever come up economically

there is no economic hope for black people or anybody else in socialism, socialism is a dead end, its been proven time and time again

Negros come back from their freshman year of Liberal Arts studies with a Che Guevara shirt thinking Karl Marx gave a damn about us

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Your defining slave so broadly it's almost meaningless... and insulting to the African Americans that lived it(slavery).

capitalism being tied to slavery is not good of enough reason to try dismiss capitalism, because capitalism is the only way black people will ever come up economically

there is no economic hope for black people or anybody else in socialism, socialism is a dead end, its been proven time and time again

Negros come back from their freshman year of Liberal Arts studies with a Che Guevara shirt thinking Karl Marx gave a damn about us

You're gonna LOVE this bullshyt @Darth Humanist posted then

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/an-o...-coates-and-the-liberals-who-love-him.397735/

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

lol, i knew it, i knew it. i knew you were going to go there.
so i'll help you out.
i'm calling slave labor from actual slaves all the way to people in jail making 2 cents on the dollar while working, all the way to someone in say Guatemala sewing a sweater for a nickel. knowing good and well said worker is living a 3rd world life style off of that amt of money.while also working in awful conditions.

lets just call all of that slavery.

Serving a prison sentence is not the same as choosing to work sewing sweaters.

I'm black.

You're not going to fukking equate any of the aforementioned to slavery.

Its insulting, and frankly reflects on your inability to make an appropriate and relevant argument

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

3-starred this thread.

1. Slavery contributed to the development of the united states economy

2. Slavery is not the same as working in a modern united states. To even insinuate as much should be worthy of getting your ass kicked. Period.

3. This is a low-brow polemic railing against aspects of capitalism...mostly the losers.

 

[rapbeats]

capitalism being tied to slavery is not good of enough reason to try dismiss capitalism, because capitalism is the only way black people will ever come up economically

there is no economic hope for black people or anybody else in socialism, socialism is a dead end, its been proven time and time again

This man said slavery is not good enough reason. LOL.
Really.

I never once mentioned socialism. so what made you go there? Trying to jump the argument before its presented i assume.

It's real simple to me. We're talking about capitalism and nothing else. i dont want you to get confused with other theories at the moment. keep your focus on capitalism.

What do we know so far when it comes to blacks/people of color and capitalism? Has it worked for us as a whole? HELL NO.

now sure i can show a very very very very small example of a small group of blacks/people of color in america and on earth that have benefitted greatly due to capitalism. But for the most part. We can all agree overall, it hasnt treated black folks/people of color all that well. So why would a black person/person of color keep pushing something that has for the most part NEVER worked for people that look like them? Please explain @theworldismine13 **do not bring up other systems. just stick to the question at hand please.***

 

[rapbeats]

Serving a prison sentence is not the same as choosing to work sewing sweaters.

I'm black.

You're not going to fukking equate any of the aforementioned to slavery.

Its insulting, and frankly reflects on your inability to make an appropriate and relevant argument

no, you're wrong.

there are multiple types of slavery friend. the type of slavery africans indured in the states is one type. and stop getting so caught up in semantics. the point is still simple. Slavery was the best friend of capitalism. was it not? is it still not?

Just because black men are not hung from trees, doesnt mean black men are not still killed by the hands of white folks for no reason other than being black. hanging from a tree = dead black by hands of racist whites
the kid in cleveland and others getting lit up by white cops for no real reason and those cops going free = dead black by the hands of racist whites. sure how it happened change. but it remains the same.

sure you probably wont have boat loads of people being smuggled across the waters to work as slaves( some still are...sex slaves, even work slaves. but we're not going there for now.) i can still call someone working for darn near nothing while making the owner of the business rich. slave labor. and nothing you will say will change those facts.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

no, you're wrong.

there are multiple types of slavery friend. the type of slavery africans indured in the states is one type. and stop getting so caught up in semantics. the point is still simple. Slavery was the best friend of capitalism. was it not? is it still not?

This is a low-information question and an insult to my intelligence.

Slavery was a component of capitalism in the United States and much of the early imperialist world.

Today in the United States, no.

Just because black men are not hung from trees, doesnt mean black men are not still killed by the hands of white folks for no reason other than being black. hanging from a tree = dead black by hands of racist whites

Thats not slavery. Lets not get fast and loose with the words so you can make sweeping ideological points.

I'm not playing that game.

the kid in cleveland and others getting lit up by white cops for no real reason and those cops going free = dead black by the hands of racist whites. sure how it happened change. but it remains the same.

Thats white supremacy.

not slavery.

sure you probably wont have boat loads of people being smuggled across the waters to work as slaves( some still are...sex slaves, even work slaves. but we're not going there for now.) i can still call someone working for darn near nothing while making the owner of the business rich. slave labor. and nothing you will say will change those facts.

Are you rehashing known history to make yourself feel better and share that you know obvious facts?

 

[MajorVitaman]

now sure i can show a very very very very small example of a small group of blacks/people of color in america and on earth that have benefitted greatly due to capitalism. But for the most part. We can all agree overall, it hasnt treated black folks/people of color all that well. So why would a black person/person of color keep pushing something that has for the most part NEVER worked for people that look like them? Please explain @theworldismine13 **do not bring up other systems. just stick to the question at hand please.***

How can we talk about a problem without a solution? That seems like aimless complaining. I don't mind alternatives, but let's be realistic and bring tangible alternatives.

 

[rapbeats]

3-starred this thread.

1. Slavery contributed to the development of the united states economy

2. Slavery is not the same as working in a modern united states. To even insinuate as much should be worthy of getting your ass kicked. Period.

3. This is a low-brow polemic railing against aspects of capitalism...mostly the losers.

i wasnt just talking about america. and when we mentioned modern day america and slavery i spoke of the prison system. they lock you up and have you working for slave wages. a lot of people getting locked up dont deserve to even be in jail, let alone for that long.

to prove my point
21st-Century Slaves: How Corporations Exploit Prison Labor

There is one group of American workers so disenfranchised that corporations are able to get away with paying them wages that rival those of third-world sweatshops. These laborers have been legally stripped of their political, economic and social rights and ultimately relegated to second-class citizens. They are banned from unionizing, violently silenced from speaking out and forced to work for little to no wages. This marginalization renders them practically invisible, as they are kept hidden from society with no available recourse to improve their circumstances or change their plight.



They are the 2.3 million American prisoners locked behind bars where we cannot see or hear them. And they are modern-day slaves of the 21st century.


Incarceration Nation

It’s no secret that America imprisons more of its citizens than any other nation in history. With just 5 percent of the world’s population, the US currently holds 25 percent of the world's prisoners. "In 2008, over 2.3 million Americans were in prison or jail, with one of every 48 working-age men behind bars," according to a study by the Center for Economic and Policy Research(CEPR). That doesn’t include the tens of thousands of detained undocumented immigrants facing deportation, prisoners awaiting sentencing, or juveniles caught up in the school-to-prison pipeline. Perhaps it’s reassuring to some that the US still holds the number one title in at least one arena, but needless to say the hyper-incarceration plaguing America has had a damaging effect on society at large.



The CEPR study observes that US prison rates are not just excessive in comparison to the rest of the world, they are also "substantially higher than our own longstanding history." The study finds that incarceration rates between 1880 and 1970 ranged from about "100 to 200 prisoners per 100,000 people." After 1980, the inmate population "began to grow much more rapidly than the overall population and the rate climbed from "about 220 in 1980 to 458 in 1990, 683 in 2000, and 753 in 2008."
The costs of this incarceration industry are far from evenly distributed, with the impact of excessive incarceration falling predominantly on African-American communities. Although black people make up just 13 percent of the overall population, they account for 40 percent of US prisoners. According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS), black males are incarcerated at a rate "more than 6.5 times that of white males and 2.5 that of Hispanic males and "black females are incarcerated at approximately three times the rate of white females and twice that of Hispanic females."



Michelle Alexander points out in her book The New Jim Crow that more black men "are in prison or jail, on probation or on parole than were enslaved in 1850." Higher rates of black drug arrests do not reflect higher rates of black drug offenses. In fact, whites and blacks engage in drug offenses, possession and sales at roughly comparable rates.

oh we're not done

The Reinvention of Slavery



The exploitation of prison labor is by no means a new phenomenon. Jaron Browne, an organizer with People Organized to Win Employment Rights (POWER),maps out how the exploitation of prison labor in America is rooted in slavery. The abolition of slavery dealt a devastating economic blow to the South following the loss of free labor after the Civil War. So in the late 19th century, "an extensive prison system was created in the South in order to maintain the racial and economic relationship of slavery," a mechanism responsible for re-enslaving black workers. Browne describes Louisiana’s famous Angola Prison to illustrate the intentional transformation from slave to inmate:

“In 1880, this 8000-acre family plantation was purchased by the state of Louisiana and converted into a prison. Slave quarters became cell units. Now expanded to 18,000 acres, the Angola plantation is tilled by prisoners working the land—a chilling picture of modern day chattel slavery.

he abolition of slavery quickly gave rise to the Black Codes and Convict Leasing, which together worked wonders at perpetuating African American servitude by exploiting a loophole in the 13th Amendment to the US Constitution, which reads:

“Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
...

The Black Codes were a set of laws that "criminalized legal activity for African Americans" and provided a pretext for the arrest and mass imprisonment of newly freed blacks, which caused the rate of African Americans prisoners to “surpass whites for the first time”, according to Randall G. Sheldon in the Black Commentator. Convict leasing involved leasing out prisoners to private companies that paid the state a certain fee in return. Convicts worked for the companies during the day outside the prison and returned to their cells at night. The system provided revenue for the state and profits for plantation owners and wasn’t abolished until the 1930s.



Unfortunately, convict leasing was quickly replaced with equally despicable state-run chain gangs. Once again, stories of vicious abuse created enough public anger to abolish chain gangs by the 1950s. Nevertheless, the systems of prisoner exploitation never actually disappeared.



Today’s corporations can lease factories in prisons, as well as lease prisoners out to their factories. In many cases, private corporations are running prisons-for-profit, further incentivizing their stake in locking people up. The government is profiting as well, by running prison factories that operate as "multibillion-dollar industries in every state, and throughout the federal prison system," where prisoners are contracted out to major corporations by the state.

In the most extreme cases, we are even witnessing the reemergence of the chain gang. In Arizona, the self-proclaimed “toughest sheriff in America,” Joe Arpaio, requires his Maricopa County inmates to enroll in chain gangs to perform various community services or face lockdown with three other inmates in an 8-by-12-foot cell, for 23 hours a day. In June of this year, Arpaio started a female-only chain gang made up of women convicted of driving under the influence. In a press release he boasted that the inmates would be wearing pink T-shirts emblazoned with messages about drinking and driving.

The modern-day version of convict leasing was recently spotted in Georgia, where Governor Nathan Deal proposed sending unemployed probationers to work in Georgia's fields as a solution to a perceived labor shortage following the passage of the country’s most draconian anti-immigrant law. But his plan backfired when some of the probationers began walking off their jobs because the fieldwork was too strenuous.

There has also been a disturbing reemergence of the debtors’ prison, which should serve as an ominous sign of our dangerous reliance on prisons to manage any and all of society’s problems. According to the Wall Street Journal, "more than a third of all U.S. states allow borrowers who can't or won't pay to be jailed." They found that judges "signed off on more than 5,000 such warrants since the start of 2010 in nine counties." It appears that any act that can be criminalized in the era of private prisons and inmate labor will certainly end in jail time, further increasing the ranks of the captive workforce.

lol yall still think its a joke.

Who Profits?



Prior to the 1970s, private corporations were prohibited from using prison labor as a result of the chain gang and convict leasing scandals. But in 1979, the US Department of Justice admits that congress began a process of deregulation to "restore private sector involvement in prison industries to its former status, provided certain conditions of the labor market were met.” Over the last 30 years, at least 37 states have enacted laws permitting the use of convict labor by private enterprise, with an average pay of $0.93 to $4.73 per day.





Federal prisoners receive more generous wages that range from $0.23 to $1.25 per hour, and are employed by Unicor, a wholly owned government corporation established by Congress in 1934. Its principal customer is the Department of Defense, from which Unicor derives approximately 53 percent of its sales. Some 21,836 inmates work in Unicor programs. Subsequently, the nation's prison industry – prison labor programs producing goods or services sold to other government agencies or to the private sector -- now employs more people than any Fortune 500 company (besides General Motors), and generates about $2.4 billion in revenue annually. Noah Zatz of UCLA law school estimates that:





“Well over 600,000, and probably close to a million, inmates are working full-time in jails and prisons throughout the United States. Perhaps some of them built your desk chair: office furniture, especially in state universities and the federal government, is a major prison labor product. Inmates also take hotel reservations at corporate call centers, make body armor for the U.S. military, and manufacture prison chic fashion accessories, in addition to the iconic task of stamping license plates.”




Some of the largest and most powerful corporations have a stake in the expansion of the prison labor market, including but not limited to IBM, Boeing, Motorola, Microsoft, AT&T, Wireless, Texas Instrument, Dell, Compaq, Honeywell, Hewlett-Packard, Nortel, Lucent Technologies, 3Com, Intel, Northern Telecom, TWA, Nordstrom's, Revlon, Macy's, Pierre Cardin, Target Stores, and many more. Between 1980 and 1994 alone, profits went up from $392 million to $1.31 billion. Since the prison labor force has likely grown since then, it is safe to assume that the profits accrued from the use of prison labor have reached even higher levels.


In an article for Mother Jones, Caroline Winter details a number of mega-corporations that have profited off of inmates:


“In the 1990s, subcontractor Third Generation hired 35 female South Carolina inmates to sew lingerie and leisure wear for Victoria's Secret and JCPenney. In 1997, a California prison put two men in solitary for telling journalists they were ordered to replace 'Made in Honduras' labels on garments with 'Made in the USA.'

 

[rapbeats]

How can we talk about a problem without a solution? That seems like aimless complaining. I don't mind alternatives, but let's be realistic and bring tangible alternatives.

first things first. dont bail him out. allow him the room to answer the question.

after he answers. i'll explain why i asked him in this fashion. just sit back and lets see what he says.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

i wasnt just talking about america. and when we mentioned modern day america and slavery i spoke of the prison system. they lock you up and have you working for slave wages. a lot of people getting locked up dont deserve to even be in jail, let alone for that long.

to prove my point
21st-Century Slaves: How Corporations Exploit Prison Labor

oh we're not done


lol yall still think its a joke.

You suggest we pay inmates civilian wages?

Next thing you know they're bribing guards

 

[rapbeats]

This is a low-information question and an insult to my intelligence.

Slavery was a component of capitalism in the United States and much of the early imperialist world.

Today in the United States, no.
Thats not slavery. Lets not get fast and loose with the words so you can make sweeping ideological points.

I'm not playing that game.
Thats white supremacy.

not slavery.



Are you rehashing known history to make yourself feel better and share that you know obvious facts?

i never said those things were slavery. no reason to quote me. i was making a simple point. just because things dont look exactly how they were in the past, doesnt mean they have changed what they really are. its still the same. killing bruhs by noose or bullet by the hands of racist whites = racism white supremacy. the same way that having people work for darn near nothing in jail with terrible conditions, or having folks overseas or in other countries work that same way is just a new wave version of the old slavery we once knew. there's no reason to bog down this discussion with tit for tat about which is worse. we all agree. African slavery was worse. lets move on and continue the discussion at hand. Read my long post above.

 

[rapbeats]

You suggest we pay inmates civilian wages?

Next thing you know they're bribing guards

do not partially quote me to make your point. Read the entire post. i know you didnt read it that fast. and click that link and read it all. its slavery folks. Do you condone slavery? read why and how the US condones it. Read why and how the US kept bruhs as slaves even after they so called Freed us by throwing us back in jail on some bogus nonsense.

The moment you start okaying slave labor or slavish labor. you start making a distinction to say "he/she is less than human" if you do it here in the states for So called "criminals" then you will do it for a bunch of no named dusty short ladies in guatemala. cause in your mind "she is a less than." thats how you stomach this kind of nonsense. and yes i know we're all guilty in partaking by way of wearing these products, among other things.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

do not partially quote me to make your point. Read the entire post. i know you didnt read it that fast. and click that link and read it all. its slavery folks. Do you condone slavery? read why and how the US condones it. Read why and how the US kept bruhs as slaves even after they so called Freed us by throwing us back in jail on some bogus nonsense.

The moment you start okaying slave labor or slavish labor. you start making a distinction to say "he/she is less than human" if you do it here in the states for So called "criminals" then you will do it for a bunch of no named dusty short ladies in guatemala. cause in your mind "she is a less than." thats how you stomach this kind of nonsense. and yes i know we're all guilty in partaking by way of wearing these products, among other things.

I don't need to read shyt I already know.

This it the problem with you HL dweebs. you assume that everyone you interact with hasn't already known what you claim to know.

Listen. I can completely understand you, know what you're talking about, and understand your intention...and still outright deny you.

I don't have to agree with you. Stop compelling me to take you more seriously because you copied and pasted some shyt you googled 5 minutes in advance.

On top of that, you're ranting into the aether. You're not making any sense and you have no point.

I know the history of slavery and criminal justice.

So fukking what?

Whats this got to do with fukking capitalism? Because I KNOW you have a catch here and this goes way beyond merely criminal justice.