Smackdown is terrible
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why y'all bringing up Raw? 
turf wars turning into serious bizness around here i see
truth is Smackdown ain't that bad, definitely ain't terrible, both shows are decent and have high spots and low spots
i'm watching way more consistently now then before the draft for sure
turf wars turning into serious bizness around here i seetruth is Smackdown ain't that bad, definitely ain't terrible, both shows are decent and have high spots and low spots
i'm watching way more consistently now then before the draft for sure
The whole draft concept is garbage. They should've just made SD a more relevant show to give talent more TV time without cutting the roster in two and having one clearly inferior/lesser brand and having to sit through relentless rematches and pointless jobber matches.
Tide Run This
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Both shows suck Raw just fukking drags for way too long and Smackdown just lacks the star power only cats that are fukking big time are AJ and RKO. Ambrose and Ziggler are fukking change the channel status and they just don't have enough credible title contenders to hold up long term. Divas are cool I miss Eva Marie sexy ass though that gimmick was pretty comedy.
Raw is pretty much done now that football back they got the deeper talent but fukk I'm beyond tired of the fukking New Day and the fukking Stroaman and Nia Jax squash matches to crickets and paperboy Zayn lingering around doing nothing.
Neither brand has any hot feuds that make me wanna tune in the shyt that got the most attention from me in forever was Miz/Bryan and they buried it a week later to put Ziggler into a feud and kill Miz's heat.
Raw is pretty much done now that football back they got the deeper talent but fukk I'm beyond tired of the fukking New Day and the fukking Stroaman and Nia Jax squash matches to crickets and paperboy Zayn lingering around doing nothing.
Neither brand has any hot feuds that make me wanna tune in the shyt that got the most attention from me in forever was Miz/Bryan and they buried it a week later to put Ziggler into a feud and kill Miz's heat.
Look at that truth
"b-b-b-but 4-1"
5-2 now aka Nia Jax's caloric intake/workout ratio
Here Comes the Pain
Superstar
Thank you. I would rep u for this thread if I could.
The only reason why people hate on raw is because it's raw. They're expectations are much higher for raw than it is for smaclkown. It's like some people expect ppv quality shows every Monday night.
Smackdown tag team division is
Their women's division is
. Self evident from yesterday's opening segment.
The world title scene isn't much to look at.
Outside of a select few smackdown isn't all that.
People hold that extra hour against raw, but honestly show for show on a week by week basis I don't see how anyone can say smackdown has been washing raw since the brand split happened.
The only reason why people hate on raw is because it's raw. They're expectations are much higher for raw than it is for smaclkown. It's like some people expect ppv quality shows every Monday night.
Smackdown tag team division is
Their women's division is
. Self evident from yesterday's opening segment.The world title scene isn't much to look at.
Outside of a select few smackdown isn't all that.
People hold that extra hour against raw, but honestly show for show on a week by week basis I don't see how anyone can say smackdown has been washing raw since the brand split happened.
Playaz Eyez
Veteran
Thank you. I would rep u for this thread if I could.
The only reason why people hate on raw is because it's raw. They're expectations are much higher for raw than it is for smaclkown. It's like some people expect ppv quality shows every Monday night.
Smackdown tag team division is
Their women's division is
The world title scene isn't much to look at.
Outside of a select few smackdown isn't all that.
People hold that extra hour against raw, but honestly show for show on a week by week basis I don't see how anyone can say smackdown has been washing raw since the brand split happened.
You sound like Stephanie McMahon
Here Comes the Pain
Superstar
You sound like Stephanie McMahon
If Stephanie herself had said this, she wouldn't be wrong tho.
I think some people are really set in their ways of hating on raw meanwhile I see smackdown get a pass for a lot of the trash
product they throw on.Talking smackdown be more lit than their actual shows sometimes.
Smackdown isn't "terrible", cut that out. It's not mindblowing TV or even great TV but its good and its a solid wrestling show. They haven't nearly fully capitalized on everything they could do but I don't know how you can really say its bad
Things SD is doing right:
Motivated stories - Alpha vs. Uso's, Ziggler vs. Dean, and AJ vs. Cena are/were great stories, evocative of the simple but effective NXT style of booking/storytelling. Characters have motivations and act on those motivations in a non-convoluted yet compelling way
The development of a division as opposed to only the components - WWE in recent times has been focused on building up the components of a division as opposed to the division itself. The "Women's Revolution" was focused on the women specifically, with the belt and the actual logistics of a women's wrestling division taking backseat. New Day, Club, Wyatts, E&C, Vaudes, and Dudleyz were singular entities who were more involved in their every week happenings as opposed to the tag titles and the competition of a tag division. This problem is persisting on Raw but on SD there's a greater focus on the belts and the actual workings of a division. This Alpha and Uso feud has title implications... the Slater angle has title implications... the Nikki/Carmella beef has title implications... everything Miz is doing has title implications... meanwhile you forget New Day & Club are even fighting for a belt because they're more concerned about old farts and dikk jokes, or that Rusev & Reigns were feuding over the US title because they were more concerned about Lana and ED jokes....
A changing main event scene - Raw insists on keeping the same few guys involved in the world title picture and never swapping them out or lowering them down the card a notch. Every week its the same few guys on top. SD looks like its content with changing up the world title scene after every program; Ziggler got his turn, AJ is getting his turn, etc etc
Likable, non-ubiquitous, and non-involved authority figures - Fans adore DB and Shane, it doesn't make me tired when I see them. They don't have an unnecessary dynamic/storyline going on between them and they're not everywhere on the show like Steph & Mick
Segments that don't drag
Good wrestling that makes do with a limited roster
Solid booking and writing that isn't afraid to try different or new things
Raw has had moments and hours that qualify as "terrible", SD at worst has been average/lukewarm (well, minus the dumb shyt like dancing lessons and milkmen)
Things SD is doing right:
Motivated stories - Alpha vs. Uso's, Ziggler vs. Dean, and AJ vs. Cena are/were great stories, evocative of the simple but effective NXT style of booking/storytelling. Characters have motivations and act on those motivations in a non-convoluted yet compelling way
The development of a division as opposed to only the components - WWE in recent times has been focused on building up the components of a division as opposed to the division itself. The "Women's Revolution" was focused on the women specifically, with the belt and the actual logistics of a women's wrestling division taking backseat. New Day, Club, Wyatts, E&C, Vaudes, and Dudleyz were singular entities who were more involved in their every week happenings as opposed to the tag titles and the competition of a tag division. This problem is persisting on Raw but on SD there's a greater focus on the belts and the actual workings of a division. This Alpha and Uso feud has title implications... the Slater angle has title implications... the Nikki/Carmella beef has title implications... everything Miz is doing has title implications... meanwhile you forget New Day & Club are even fighting for a belt because they're more concerned about old farts and dikk jokes, or that Rusev & Reigns were feuding over the US title because they were more concerned about Lana and ED jokes....
A changing main event scene - Raw insists on keeping the same few guys involved in the world title picture and never swapping them out or lowering them down the card a notch. Every week its the same few guys on top. SD looks like its content with changing up the world title scene after every program; Ziggler got his turn, AJ is getting his turn, etc etc
Likable, non-ubiquitous, and non-involved authority figures - Fans adore DB and Shane, it doesn't make me tired when I see them. They don't have an unnecessary dynamic/storyline going on between them and they're not everywhere on the show like Steph & Mick
Segments that don't drag
Good wrestling that makes do with a limited roster
Solid booking and writing that isn't afraid to try different or new things
Raw has had moments and hours that qualify as "terrible", SD at worst has been average/lukewarm (well, minus the dumb shyt like dancing lessons and milkmen)
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Which show would you buy a ticket to go see live?
I was considering seeing smack down soon but after last night's show I'm reconsidering. The only person I'd want to see is Aj and after that no one, but with raw I'd see much more superstar talent.
I was considering seeing smack down soon but after last night's show I'm reconsidering. The only person I'd want to see is Aj and after that no one, but with raw I'd see much more superstar talent.
PPV is the best bet for getting your money's worth. Then its Raw because you're getting 3 hours even if all 3 aren't good. Plus SD is consistently good but hasn't traversed into mindblowing territory yet, Raw has a couple times already
DoubleJ13
Smooth sailing from here on out...
Thank you. I would rep u for this thread if I could.
The only reason why people hate on raw is because it's raw. They're expectations are much higher for raw than it is for smaclkown. It's like some people expect ppv quality shows every Monday night.
Smackdown tag team division is
Their women's division is
The world title scene isn't much to look at.
Outside of a select few smackdown isn't all that.
People hold that extra hour against raw, but honestly show for show on a week by week basis I don't see how anyone can say smackdown has been washing raw since the brand split happened.
Those things your talking about are just as bad on Raw with more established or over people that were already built up before the draft.
Raws tag division is Enzo & Cass, The Club, and New Day. Nobody else matters to the point that they threw Jericho & Owens together to give Enzo & Cass something to do until Balor got hurt. It's made even worse that for some reason they're keeping Enzo & Cass and New Day away from each other and for some reason feel the need to have The Club doing terrible comedy.
Raws women's division is Charlotte, Sasha, and Bayley. Dana is there to eat pins for Charlotte, Nia is doing the same shyt she was doing in NXT just on a bigger platform, and the rest aren't doing anything that matters if you even see them. They just gave away Charlotte & Bayley for no reason & unless Sasha turns they're kind of in the same spot they are with the tag teams.
The world title scene is still just Rollins, Reigns, and since Balor got hurt they threw Owens in there.
The rest of Raw is filled with Rusev getting destroyed, Zayn not having anything until Balor got hurt and they needed another face they could push, Titus & Darren wasting the time of everybody, Sheamus & Cesaro being wasted because they didn't have plans for them, and Braun doing jobber squash matches a year after debuting.
Playaz Eyez
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If Stephanie herself had said this, she wouldn't be wrong tho.
I think some people are really set in their ways of hating on raw meanwhile I see smackdown get a pass for a lot of the trash
Talking smackdown be more lit than their actual shows sometimes.
I guess this is what happens when you're the "flagship show" and need to keep up this front (like Steph with the divas revolution), even though since the original brand split in 2002, SD has most often been better, which during a lot of that time Raw was also 2 hours
. Just like @FactsOnly said, nothing on SD has been outright bad since the brand split, maybe meh at worst. It's a two hour show, they don't have time for lengthy crowd-killing segments meanwhile, Raw nearly makes that a staple
. If you have all that star power, that extra hour should be to take advantage of it, not create these 2009-2010 crowd-killing Raw segments. SD has mostly felt like back in the day SDs, a lot of stuff happening, whether it's an actual match, backstage segments, vignettes, etc. They do the simple things right with less talent, while Raw has tripped over themselves outside of fatal 4 ways.Yeah exactly. I went to a ppv and raw recently and felt like they were worth it. Not as sure about smack down yet for the reasons you mentioned.