So apparently this is "Kanye West's dream team"

[blizzard man]

Whatever happened to Miri Ben Ari?

she still out here getting that classical money and looking as hell

 

[spliz]

yes... interestingly enough. The song was fukking wack. Im not gonna go in because people lurk thee sites. You would be surprised who the "Guests" are on these pages. But factually. I know someone who wrote a wack song for that nikka. But Nas writes 98% of shyt no clue why he took that song.

Did he use the song on an album or project? And how do u know factually? Cause like I said. I know people. Never heard of this.

 

[Insensitive]

I think hip-hop fans have a very misguided notion that their favorite rappers just go into the studio and create tracks with just a producer and call it a day. The reality is there are many hands in the process on any given album. Just because somebody brings in help doesn't take away from their genius. That would be like saying Steve Jobs wasn't a genius because he didn't design every detail of the iPhone himself. Here are a couple albums I pulled at random...All Eyez On Me and The Blueprint.

2Pac - All Eyez On Me

Personnel
Credits for All Eyez on Me adapted from Allmusic and CD booklet.

• 2Pac — associate producer, composer, primary artist, producer
• Suge Knight — executive producer
• Norris Anderson — production manager
• Delmar "Daz" Arnaud — composer
• Dave Aron — engineer, mixing
• Big Syke — featured artist
• Larry Blackmon — composer
• David Blake — composer, mixing, producer, talk box
• B-Legit — featured artist
• Bobcat — composer
• Calvin Broadus — composer
• R. Brown — composer
• C-BO — featured artist
• Larry Chatman — associate producer
• Rick Clifford — engineer
• G. Clinton, Jr. — composer
• George Clinton — composer, featured artist, vocals
• Nanci Fletcher - featured artist, vocals
• Dorothy Coleman — background vocals
• W. Collins — composer
• Kenn Cox — composer
• CPO — featured artist
• Woody Cunningham — composer
• Tommy D. Daugherty — engineer
• Danny Boy — featured artist
• Dat nikka Daz — featured artist, producer
• Robert Diggs — composer
• DJ Pooh — composer, mixing, producer
• Dr. Dre — composer, featured artist, mixing, producer
• Tha Dogg Pound — featured artist
• Nate Dogg — featured artist, vocals
• Dramacydal — featured artist
• Dru Down — featured artist
• Norman Durham — composer
• E-40 — featured artist
• Ebony — background vocals
• Bobby Ervin — composer, producer
• Fatal — featured artist
• Brian Gardner — mastering
• Michael Geiser — associate engineer
• Yaki Kadafi — featured artist
• Nathaniel Hale — composer
• C. Haskins — composer
• Johnny Jackson — composer
• Jewell — featured artist
• Johnny "J" — mixing, producer
• Puff Johnson — background vocals

• Jojo the Elf — featured artist
• E. Jordan — composer
• Kurupt — featured artist
• Alvin McGill — associate engineer, engineer
• Method Man — featured artist
• Michel'le — featured artist
• Mike Mosley — assistant engineer, composer, mixing, producer
• Nanci Fletcher - featured artist
• Shirley Murdock — composer
• Ken Nahoum — photography
• Outlawz — featured artist
• J.P. Pennington — composer
• Prince — composer
• George Pryce — art direction, design
• QD3 — composer
• Rappin' 4-Tay — featured artist
• Doug Rasheed — composer, producer
• Danny Ray — background vocals
• Redman — featured artist
• Richie Rich — featured artist
• Rick Rock — producer
• Patrick Shevelin — associate engineer
• Carl "Butch" Small — percussion
• Stacey Smallie — background vocals
• C. Smith — composer
• Henry "Hendogg" Smith — illustrations
• Snoop Doggy Dogg — featured artist, vocals
• Troy Staton — engineer
• D. Stevens — composer
• E. Stevens — composer
• D. Stewart - composer
• The Storm — featured artist
• DeVanté Swing — composer, mixing, producer
• Roy Tesfay — production co-ordination
• Rahiem Prince Thomas — composer
• S. Thomas — composer
• Sean "Barney" Thomas — keyboards
• Larry Troutman — composer
• Roger Troutman — composer, featured artist, talk box, unknown contributor role
• Natasha Walker — background vocals
• Carlos Warlick — engineer, mixing
• Barbara Warren — stylist, unknown contributor role
• Bruce Washington — composer
• Danette Williams — background vocals
• Barbara Wilson — background vocals
• Nanci Fletcher - background vocals
• Keston Wright — engineer

Jay Z - The Blueprint

Personnel

• Jay-Z - performer, executive producer
• Eminem - performer, producer, mixing
• Slick Rick - vocals
• Q-Tip - vocals
• Biz Markie - vocals
• Demme Ulloa - vocals
• Schevise Harrell - vocals
• Lauren Leek - vocals
• Keon Bryce - vocals
• Stephanie Miller - vocals
• Michele Mills - vocals
• Josey Scott - vocals
• Victor Flowers - organ
• Kanye West - producer, vocals
• Just Blaze - producer
• Bink - producer
• Timbaland - producer
• Poke & Tone - producer
• DJ Head - drum programming

• Damon Dash - executive producer
• Kareem "Biggs" Burke - executive producer
• Gimel "Young Guru" Katon - engineer, mixing
• Jimmy Douglas - engineer, mixing
• Rajon Wright - assistant engineer
• Shane Woodley - assistant engineer
• Jason Goldstein - mixing
• Richard Huredia - mixing
• Supa Engineer "Duro" - mixing
• Doug Wilson - mixing
• Tony Vanias - recording director
• Tony Dawsey - mastering
• Lenny S. - A&R
• Rob Mitchell - A&R
• Kyambo Joshua - A&R
• Darcell Lawrence - A&R
• Jason Noto - art direction
• Jonathan Mannion - photography
• Della Valle - images

I just

Negged, dapped, undapped and reported. Don't you dare throw Pacs name under the bus to defend this fakkit Kanye. Everybody knows when Pac got out of jail he said he wanted everybody on Death Row involved with the All Eyez On Me album so nobody at all was thinking he went into the studio with a producer and created that album. We've all saw pics and videos of him in the studio with mutliple people working on tracks too. Pac never had nobody pen a verse for him though, EVER.

The Jay example is very minimal also, why the hell are you listing people involved with the photogrophy? That has nothing to do with the music. I'm willing to bet that the majority of Hip-Hop listeners are familiar with the different producers Jay used for The Blueprint 1I don't understand what point you're tryna make here. Hell I bet most posters on here have the booklets for All Eyez On Me and Blueprint one at home somehwere and have read through each many times, you're not telling anyone anything new here.

If anything this is giving props to Jay and Pac.
Dudes made incredible albums with little to know extra help outside
of their chosen producers.
Even, these credits are a far cry from 50 people on one album.
Only pac comes close with All Eyez On Me and everyone knows that's a double
disc album.

 

[noumena]

That list includes engineers and people responsible for things like string arrangement.

You've got to figure Kanye's main skill is vision and taste. His developmental music skills are rapping, singing, writing, sampler & drum machine. Even then he gets people to help him with all 5 of those. Then he's got people for keys. People for strings. Engineers and such.

An Arcade Fire album or a Mike Jackson album would have many people contributing to them too.

Nice try

Personnel =/= Writers

Plenty of albums have ton of musicians doing what they're told to do by THE WRITERS

Compare The Life Of Pablo to Thriller. Let's just take one song from each.

Kanye
1. "Ultralight Beam"

• Kanye West
• Mike Dean
• Cydel Young
• Kelly Price
• Terius Nash
• Nico "Donnie Trumpet" Segal
• Kirk Franklin
• Kasseem Dean
• Chancelor Bennett
• Noah Goldstein
• Jerome Potter
• Samuel Griesemer
• Derek Watkins

Michael
1. "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"

• Quincy Jones
• Jackson (co.)

It's almost as if real genuises don't need an army to create good songs.

Thriller had a total of 7 writers on all the songs combined, the amount of writers on just one song off TLOP.


"Bu-bu-but Thriller ain't hip hop!"

Look at All Eyez on Me, an album someone was trying to bring down into Kanye's level.

If you look at the writers on each track, it's pac, the producer, and then if there's features, the featured artist, if there's a sample, the writer of the original of the sample is included. You'll see that the majority of songs were written by just Pac and the producer, especially on the second disc. Personnel =/= writers.

 

[Czerka]

most high pro file pop artists - including successful hip hop artists - arent talented enough to do everything by themselves. sometimes they give credit to their teams, sometimes they dont

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

I run in these circles as well g. Worked at Universal. Worked with very famous writers. Ive seen international hits get recorded in one take. Nas can write his ass off, nikkas have written for him. My point wasnt even about Ghostwriting. Just albums in general are worked on by a team. Contributions comw from everywhere. This is standard.

Why nikkas always wanna throw legends under the bus with no proof to defend these new lames? Yet when we accussed Ye and Drake of having ghostwriters would be the same clowns to tell us we were just haters and had no proof ?

So you can expose the fact he has writers but can't disclose the actual song? FOH

 

[spliz]

Nice try

Personnel =/= Writers

Plenty of albums have ton of musicians doing what they're told to do by THE WRITERS

Compare The Life Of Pablo to Thriller. Let's just take one song from each.

Kanye
1. "Ultralight Beam"

• Kanye West
• Mike Dean
• Cydel Young
• Kelly Price
• Terius Nash
• Nico "Donnie Trumpet" Segal
• Kirk Franklin
• Kasseem Dean
• Chancelor Bennett
• Noah Goldstein
• Jerome Potter
• Samuel Griesemer
• Derek Watkins

Michael
1. "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'"

• Quincy Jones
• Jackson (co.)

It's almost as if real genuises don't need an army to create good songs.

Thriller had a total of 7 writers on all the songs combined, the amount of writers on just one song off TLOP.


"Bu-bu-but Thriller ain't hip hop!"

Look at All Eyez on Me, an album someone was trying to bring down into Kanye's level.

If you look at the writers on each track, it's pac, the producer, and then if there's features, the featured artist, if there's a sample, the writer of the original of the sample is included. You'll see that the majority of songs were written by just Pac and the producer, especially on the second disc. Personnel =/= writers.

shyt. Thriller album is the reason MJ and Quincy fell out. Cause Quincy was tryna take all the credit for Mike's work. Billie Jean for example. Make basically completed the whole song at his house. Beat. Arrangements. Lyrics hook. He gave quincy the demo and he touched it up. First off Quincy didn't even want Mike to put the song on the album. Quincy didn't like the bass line. Quincy wanted Mike to change the title of the song. He wanted Mike to remove some of the intro to the track cause he felt it was too long. Mike refused ALL of that shyt. He said that shyt was the best part. And Quincy and his ego got tight. On top of that he didn't wanna give Mike co production credit even tho the song sounded damn near exactly the same after he was done with it. Mike basically peeped game and didnt renew their contract after the album deal they had and Quincy been bitter ever since.

 

[YakSpiller]

I run in these circles as well g. Worked at Universal. Worked with very famous writers. Ive seen international hits get recorded in one take.

Yet your online arguing over shyt you obviously have no idea about

This place is hilarious.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

Pac never had nobody pen a verse for him though, EVER.
.

Wrote trapped and verses on a couple other tracks on pacs debut, and is credited as such as either Ray Luv or Ray Tyson

 

[Pop123]

be talentless as fukk but have 20 grammy's brehs. #spooky

 

[2manyFCKNrappers]

I still can't believe this nikka signed this Knockoff nikka to GOOD

 

[spliz]

Wrote trapped and verses on a couple other tracks on pacs debut, and is credited as such as either Ray Luv or Ray Tyson

He didn't write anything FOR Pac. They was best friends and would trade songs sometimes . He was gonna throw the song away and Pac said he would rather take it than him throw it away. Either way it's only one side of the story anyway. Pac is dead.

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

Wrote trapped and verses on a couple other tracks on pacs debut, and is credited as such as either Ray Luv or Ray Tyson

He wrote Trapped for pac? He says in the video himself he'd threw the song in the trash and Pac asked to use it. No he doesn't say he wrote whole verses either . Also dude was one of pacs best friends at the time and they would share multiple ideas with each other, it wasn't a one way thing. Huge reach

 

[Capo Dei Capi]

Pac never had nobody pen a verse for him though, EVER.

Wrote trapped and verses on a couple other tracks on pacs debut, and is credited as such as either Ray Luv or Ray Tyson

There is a difference between friends collaborating and exchanging ideas and outright hiring someone to write verses for you. For some reason you new weirdos don't seem to be able to understand the difference.

 

[Long Live The Kane]

He didn't write anything FOR Pac. They was best friends and would trade songs sometimes . He was gonna throw the song away and Pac said he would rather take it than him throw it away. Either way it's only one side of the story anyway. Pac is dead.

He wrote Trapped for pac? He says in the video himself he'd threw the song in the trash and Pac asked to use it. No he doesn't say he wrote whole verses either . Also dude was one of pacs best friends at the time and they would share multiple ideas with each other, it wasn't a one way thing. Huge reach

this is probably one of the more hilarious distinctions made as an excuse for someone else writing your rhymes that I've seen...NOW we want to parse and break shyt down with nuance... props