So D Wade dropped 12 points again in a crucial playoff game?

[Biscayne]

He did it again .

All the shyt you are arguing you brought up yourself. Look at my previous posts and tell me how what you are talking about relates to the points I have been making. As a matter of fact you have blatantly ignored all the points I have made to either focus on irrelevant sidenotes or to argue against strawmen, contradicting yourself the whole time. nikka going haywire ing for D. Wade . If you wanna have a real dialogue I am down. However, I am not about to go back and forth about shyt other nikkas said or stuff that you just made up to argue about.

You said I was was "stretching out" Wades 1st four years without LBJ, ad if he didn't spend 7yrs without LBJ. Anything less than that would be cutting corners. Naw, I'm comparing Wades whole 1st 7.

But if you want to comapre both of their 13yr careers, that would be pointless since they spent 4yrs together, and both of their successes will overlap. I'll GLADLY compare their 1st 7 and compare last year(there 1st season apart) to one another. GLADLY. No cutting corners from my side.

LeBron:

Year1:Missed Playoffs
Year2:Missed Playoffs
Year3:2nd Round
Year4: NBA Finals
Year5:2nd Round
Year6: Conference Finals
Year7: 2nd Round
2015: NBA Finals

Wade:

Year1: 2nd Round
Year2: Confernce Finals
Year3: NBA Title
Year4: 1st Round Exit
Year5: Worst Record in the NBA(missed playoffs)
Year6: 1st Round Exit
Year7: 1st Round Exit
2015: Missed Playoffs

Independent of each other, LBJ has one more Confernce Finals appearance and 1 more NBA Finals appearance. He has 3 more 1st round advancements, and one less NBA Title.

 

[Greenhornet]

wades whole career has been based off getting people to play with him

otherwise hes just a trick player with above average athleticism

 

[Goatpoacher]

Respect for the realness. I don't know why it's so hard for people just keep it 100 about people they like.

Dirk was known as a soft choker until 2011. People started to come down on Kobe once that post-Shaq success didn't come as quickly and Shaq got that quick chip. D. Wade is that rare guy that gets to be a superstar when shyt goes well and then gets to be overlooked when shyt goes left.

I don't know about that, there was a strong contingent on sohh that criticized Wade for being injured back between 2007 and 2009. I suppose that's not the controlling narrative, or the most common narrative.

What I've found so hilarious is how so many people, sohh/coli members included, need a goddamn narrative in the first place. Instead of assessing players based on play, they prefer empty emotive rhetoric and/or incomplete hypotheticals instead of relying on context and facts. For example, Lebron and CP3 catch so much shyt from so many sources... because some people need the narrative.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

I don't know about that, there was a strong contingent on sohh that criticized Wade for being injured back between 2007 and 2009. I suppose that's not the controlling narrative, or the most common narrative.

What I've found so hilarious is how so many people, sohh/coli members included, need a goddamn narrative in the first place. Instead of assessing players based on play, they prefer empty emotive rhetoric and/or incomplete hypotheticals instead of relying on context and facts. For example, Lebron and CP3 catch so much shyt from so many sources... because some people need the narrative.

 

[Goatpoacher]

Why you posting pictures of yourself from 20 years ago :jjjjj:

 

[FTBS]

You said I was was "stretching out" Wades 1st for years without LBJ, ad if he didn't spend 7yrs without LBJ. Anything less than that would be cutting corners. Naw, I'm comparing Wades whole 1st 7.

But if you want to comapre both of their 13yr careers, that would be pointless since they spent 4yrs together, and both of their successes will overlap. I'll GLADLY compare their 1st 7 and compare last year(there 1st season apart) to one another. GLADLY. No cutting corners from my side.

LeBron:

Year1:Missed Playoffs
Year2:Missed Playoffs
Year3:2nd Round
Year4: NBA Finals
Year5:2nd Round
Year6: Conference Finals
Year7: 2nd Round
2015: NBA Finals

Year1: 2nd Round
Year2: Confernce Finals
Year3: NBA Title
Year4: 1st Round Exit
Year5: Worst Record in the NBA(missed playoffs)
Year6: 1st Round Exit
Year7: 1st Round Exit
2015: Missed Playoffs

Independent of each other, LBJ has one more Confernce Finals appearance and 1 more NBA Finals appearance. He has 3 more 1st round advancements, and one less NBA Title.

Okay you gotta be trolling. You just gotta be When did I compare the two of them to begin with? I just found it funny how the only relevant stretches of time just happened to be the stretches that put Wade in the best light. at their successes overlapping. Bron won 2 MVPs and 2 Finals MVPs and was at his absolute peak in MIA. Wade was a shell of himself (still good and great at times) for most of the time Bron was there. Ignoring Bron's years with Wade is like ignoring Wade's years with Shaq or ignoring Shaq's years with Kobe. And still none of that has anything to do with people like you only wanting it one way with Wade. I take your refusal to respond to what I have actually said while continuing to go on and on about this comparison that you and only you are making to mean that you either agree with what I have said or don't have a response and you just wanna for Wade regardless.

 

[FTBS]

I don't know about that, there was a strong contingent on sohh that criticized Wade for being injured back between 2007 and 2009. I suppose that's not the controlling narrative, or the most common narrative.

What I've found so hilarious is how so many people, sohh/coli members included, need a goddamn narrative in the first place. Instead of assessing players based on play, they prefer empty emotive rhetoric and/or incomplete hypotheticals instead of relying on context and facts. For example, Lebron and CP3 catch so much shyt from so many sources... because some people need the narrative.

I find if funny how people vacillate between the two.

"When I agree with the overriding narrative I ride with it. It only confirms my position "
"When I don't agree with it, let's talk about context and facts the media and their narratives."



And some dudes are just so seamless with it.

 

[Biscayne]

Okay you gotta be trolling. You just gotta be When did I compare the two of them to begin with? I just found it funny how the only relevant stretches of time just happened to be the stretches that put Wade in the best light. at their successes overlapping. Bron won 2 MVPs and 2 Finals MVPs and was at his absolute peak in MIA. Wade was a shell of himself (still good and great at times) for most of the time Bron was there. Ignoring Bron's years with Wade is like ignoring Wade's years with Shaq or ignoring Shaq's years with Kobe. And still none of that has anything to do with people like you only wanting it one way with Wade. I take your refusal to respond to what I have actually said while continuing to go on and on about this comparison that you and only you are making to mean that you either agree with what I have said or don't have a response and you just wanna for Wade regardless.

The 1st year LBJ and Wade teamed up, Wade matched LBJ in statistical achievements all throughout the 2011 post-season. They were evenly matched that year, and LBJ wouldn't have gotten to the Finals if he didn't have Wade, and Vice Versa if Wade didn't have LeBron. With Wade actually averaging 1-point more than LBJ.

Year number 2, Wade ceded power to LBJ, because it was clear that Wade was starting to trend downwards, while LBJ's star kept rising. LBJ was the better player, and it was wise to give LBJ control of the offense. EVEN THEN, Wade still managed to average 22/6/5 for that post-season, and managed to be a contribute in that sidekick roll. STILL, without that sidekick contribution, LBJ wouldn't have gotten to the Finals, or won a title that year if it wasn't for having a sidekick who can average 22ppg and take the game over when called upon(45pt game against Indy), and revert back to that sidekick role when needed.

I'd concede the last year they were together(2014) it was a complete LBJ-show, with Wade being flabby, sick, and lazy contributing to Miami losing in the 2014 Finals. LBJ played EXCELLENT while Wade held the team back, due to lazy defense, and just being overall out of shape. BUT, 2011's Finals run was just as much in the career resume of Wade as it goes for LBJ. In those 4 seasons, LBJ was the catalyst for two titles and he was the catalyst for losing one. Wade was the side-kick for winning two titles, while he was the catalyst for losing one. I'll concede to every point you make, yet you'll continue to accuse me of cutting corners.

Fact of the matter is, NEITHER one of them were making it to consecutive to NBA Finals without the other. Bottom line. They both had the same number of Finals appearances and Conference Finals appearances independent of one another until last year, where Wade and Miami completely fell off the map, while LBJ was still trending upward. I have no problem giving LBJ credit where credit is due, the problem comes where you all want me to cede MORE credit to LBJ.

I've compared their 1st 7.

I JUST NOW compared what they did while they were together.

And I ONCE AGAIN compared what they one year after they separated.

What else would you like me to compare?

The whole point of this thread was to chastise Wades failures, and than others chimed in citing that Wade's career wouldn't be much without LBJ, and that one lucky run to the title in 10yrs since than is proof of that.

When I counter that LBJ only had one more run to the Finals independent of Wade in that 13yr span, or that he only has one more conference Finals appearance independent of Wade, or that he had just as many missed playoffs as Wade in that 13yr span, or that he only has one more Finals MVP than Wade, than that's when folks get to copping pleas saying "Wade had XYZ player, LBJ didn't have XYZ player" not saying you went there, but others went there.

 

[Biscayne]

I find if funny how people vacillate between the two.

"When I agree with the overriding narrative I ride with it. It only confirms my position "
"When I don't agree with it, let's talk about context and facts the media and their narratives."



And some dudes are just so seamless with it.

But people have been doing that for LBJ in this very thread breh. One poster even pointed out that LBJ won 42games, even though Cleveland missed the Playoffs as to say "Yeah he missed the playoffs buuuuuuut". C'mon, it happens both ways, and everyones gonna try to shape their narrative based on which players they like/hate more. I've acknowledged his failures, but somehow everything I acknowledge keeps getting viewed as

 

[FTBS]

The 1st year LBJ and Wade teamed up, Wade matched LBJ in statistical achievements all throughout the 2011 post-season. They were evenly matched that year, and LBJ wouldn't have gotten to the Finals if he didn't have Wade, and Vice Versa if Wade didn't have LeBron. With Wade actually averaging 1-point more than LBJ.

Year number 2, Wade ceded power to LBJ, because it was clear that Wade was starting to trend downwards, while LBJ's star kept rising. LBJ was the better player, and it was wise to give LBJ control of the offense. EVEN THEN, Wade still managed to average 22/6/5 for that post-season, and managed to be a contribute in that sidekick roll. STILL, without that sidekick contribution, LBJ wouldn't have gotten to the Finals, or won a title that year if it wasn't for having a sidekick who can average 22ppg and take the game over when called upon(45pt game against Indy), and revert back to that sidekick role when needed.

I'd concede the last year they were together(2014) it was a complete LBJ-show, with Wade being flabby, sick, and lazy contributing to Miami losing in the 2014 Finals. LBJ played EXCELLENT while Wade held the team back, due to lazy defense, and just being overall out of shape. BUT, 2011's Finals run was just as much in the career resume of Wade as it goes for LBJ. In those 4 seasons, LBJ was the catalyst for two titles and he was the catalyst for losing one. Wade was the side-kick for winning two titles, while he was the catalyst for losing one. I'll concede to every point you make, yet you'll continue to accuse me of cutting corners.

Fact of the matter is, NEITHER one of them were making it to consecutive to NBA Finals without the other. Bottom line. They both had the same number of Finals appearances and Conference Finals appearances independent of one another until last year, where Wade and Miami completely fell off the map, while LBJ was still trending upward. I have no problem giving LBJ credit where credit is due, the problem comes where you all want me to cede MORE credit to LBJ.

I've compared their 1st 7.

I JUST NOW compared what they did while they were together.

And I ONCE AGAIN compared what they one year after they separated.

What else would you like me to compare?

The whole point of this thread was to chastise Wades failures, and than others chimed in citing that Wade's career wouldn't be much without LBJ, and that one lucky run to the title in 10yrs since than is proof of that.

When I counter that LBJ only had one more run to the Finals independent of Wade in that 13yr span, or that he only has one more conference Finals appearance independent of Wade, or that he had just as many missed playoffs as Wade in that 13yr span, than that's when folks get to copping pleas saying Wade had "XYZ, LBJ didn't have XYZ" not saying you went there, but others went there.

So why is it directed at me? Once again, the "cutting corners" and comparison stuff all started with you. Quote the post where I was talking about those things before you started quoting me. That's your fight that you want to have...with yourself apparently. at those two being anywhere near equally reliant on each other during that run.

But people have been doing that for LBJ in this very thread breh. One poster even pointed out that LBJ won 42games, even though Cleveland missed the Playoffs as to say "Yeah he missed the playoffs buuuuuuut". C'mon, it happens both ways, and everyones gonna try to shape their narrative based on which players they like/hate more. I've acknowledged his failures, but somehow everything I acknowledge keeps getting viewed as

There is no comparison whatsoever to the level of blame or pressure or scrutiny that these two men have been subject to. This thread is about D. Wade. At any given time throughout the season you can open multiple threads playing hopscotch when it comes to Bron. D. Wade gets one thread and you lose your mind.

 

[Biscayne]

So why is it directed at me? Once again, the "cutting corners" and comparison stuff all started with you. That's your fight that you want to have...with yourself apparently. at those two being anywhere near equally reliant on each other during that run.



There is no comparison whatsoever to the level of blame or pressure or scrutiny that these two men have been subject to. This thread is about D. Wade. At any given time throughout the season you can open multiple threads playing hopscotch when it comes to Bron. D. Wade gets one thread and you lose your mind.

That's because Wade is an after-thought usually, unless someone wants to mock the way he dresses, or if they want to mock him for flopping, or if they want to mock him for having herpes( Wade's a dirty nikka, but he's my nikka ) or what-have you. No on one this site or outside of this site have put Wade in contention of being the GOAT. He's always been a well-respected player who's been viewed in that 35-25 all time ranking. People in this thread wanna complain about Wade not getting any blame, as if he's ever been in contention of being the goat. Everyone pretty much speaks on Wade retro-actively as far as his actual ability on the court. He's had great seasons where he was still seen as the 3rd wheel to LBJ and Kobe. I'm just saying, maybe the reason why Wade doesn't have the hodgepodge of threads dedicated to cutting him down, is because he never had the hodgepodge of threads building him up or calling him the GOAT.



Would you put him on the same tier as LBJ or Kobe? Why or why not?



I think he's boarderline Top 20. I think LBJ's Top 5, and boarderline Top-3.

 

[Playa With Tha Passport]

I would take pat bev over wade right now as a player

 

[Biscayne]

I would take pat bev over wade right now as a player

I wish Pat Bev was on the Heat. He was in our training camp. We could use his defense on Kemba right now, given the way he's been turning our guards into turn-styles.

 

[FTBS]

That's because Wade is an after-thought usually, unless someone wants to mock the way he dresses, or if they want to mock him for flopping, or if they want to mock him for having herpes( Wade's a dirty nikka, but he's my nikka ) or what-have you. No on one this site or outside of this site have put Wade in contention of being the GOAT. He's always been a well-respected player who's been viewed in that 35-25 all time ranking. People in this thread wanna complain about Wade not getting any blame, as if he's ever been in contention of being the goat. Everyone pretty much speaks on Wade retro-actively as far as his actual ability on the court. He's had great seasons where he was still seen as the 3rd wheel to LBJ and Kobe. I'm just saying, maybe the reason why Wade doesn't have the hodgepodge of threads dedicated to cutting him down, is because he never had the hodgepodge of threads building him up or calling him the GOAT.



Would you put him on the same tier as LBJ or Kobe? Why or why not?



I think he's boarderline Top 20. I think LBJ's Top 5, and boarderline Top-3.

Still it's one thread. The board is not flooded with "Wade ain't shyt" threads. Best believe if Bron was in a similar position right now there would not be room on the front page for anything else. It's one thread breh. What is your stance on the Bron "ran to Wade" and "Wade taught him how to win/kept him in line" narratives? Lemme guess, those are okay right? I see way more about that stuff than anything you listed.

At his peak Wade is for sure up there with those guys. Prime Flash was a beast, no doubt. Overall career? I would have to say no because he didn't stay at that level long enough. If you acknowledge such a difference between the players then you can't get in your feelings about Bron getting the credit and attention or try to act like the contributions to that run were anywhere near equal.

 

[Jesus Is Lord]

Why you posting pictures of yourself from 20 years ago :jjjjj:

Because you're for someone who has great success 10 years ago.