So Em and 50 Cent met each at the Lyricist Lounge in 1997 but they dont remember....

[Greenhornet]

Words didn’t have Dr Dre, Jimmy Iovine, and MTV.

words wasnt as good as thirstin howl or eminem you can name 10+ albums from eminem>>> and 5+ albums from Thirstin along with books, videos etc


I own words music on vinyl and shyt and he's one of my favorite artists of all time but between 1997-2015 he only has 2 albums that nobody heard

I'd even say Eminem stole some of Wordsworth delivery on earlier songs at times, but without distribution and marketing... SSLP is a better revisit by far than Wordsworth albums


this is no different than say Ras Kass and The Game .... Ras Kass could be a bigger artist if he wanted to. They can get him for 4Hrsmn album and features... but he's not contacting Diddy, Skrillex, Anderson Paak etc ... it just is what it is. Soul on Ice is in my top 3 albums, but majority of rap fans arent gonna dig that far back to see his lyrical skill compared to easily seeing a Game freestyle from 2-3 years ago. Words could have done full album with Beatjunkies or Rhettmatic alone at any point and he just didnt

 

[nieman]

The Black Eyed Peas got a raw deal with hip hop fans. I bought their first 2 albums and no one paid attention to them. They were real hip hop heads trying to do hip hop music and no one paid them any attention. As soon as they add Fergie to the group and sell millions, hip hop heads started dissing them. The same hip hop fans that ignored BEP as they were catering to THEM. So after Fergie left and years later being millionaire, BEP returned to their hip hop roots with an album. The fans stopped dissing them and then ignored the album. So hip hop fans may be the worst fans on earth of any genre. As long as you aren't making money and struggling while doing music for them that they aren't buying, the won't say anything bad about you. As soon as you stop catering to them............

They were a victim of timing though. They came out when the sound of hip-hop had changed, so they were never going to get any type of transition in the mainstream at that time. Then they started doing pop music, and most people didn't even know they were hip-hop a couple of years prior. And the pop music they were making wasn't even good. They should've stuck to their guns, and eventually found their fanbase.

 

[nieman]

The Emp was/is dope. I was checking for everything from him from like '96 through '10. I do have Music, Myth & Magic...and the unreleased stuffed compiled as The Legend of Bigfoot album...and every now and then I check to see if he put out more music.

Some Love, Some Hate remix was the first time I heard Saigon, and then I couldn't find the track anywhere for like a decade but I eventually found it. And PU killed it

Unfortunately, I was off at school during the underground circuit when it would hit Philly in 98. I was reading up on those folks, stopping at the records stores whenever I was back home (Sounds of...), and picking up whatever I could.

 

[maxamusa]

thread is dope AF.....just read thru it and 5 starred this gem


its 2 bad there will never be another lyricist lounge or anything in that realm ever again

 

[Ryda52]

Wasn’t Hi-Tek on G-Unit at one point as well? I wonder how connected 50 was with Rawkus considering that picture. I’ve also seen him give props to Mos and Kweli on a few different occasions as well.

 

[Awesome Wells]

Wasn’t Hi-Tek on G-Unit at one point as well? I wonder how connected 50 was with Rawkus considering that picture. I’ve also seen him give props to Mos and Kweli on a few different occasions as well.

True.

He was one of Mos's first producers back when he started. So he was doing a lot of the Black Star tracks, had a group with Kweli and he was working with Aftermath a lot in the early 2000's which led him to doing the G-Unit stuff and working with 50.

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

True.

He was one of Mos's first producers back when he started. So he was doing a lot of the Black Star tracks, had a group with Kweli and he was working with Aftermath a lot in the early 2000's which led him to doing the G-Unit stuff and working with 50.

He wasn't "working with Aftermath", he was on the team. Dre recruited a lot of producers to be on the aftermath team, but guys like Nottz turned it down. The thing is, they didn't want to either share their production credit or be restricted to Aftermath artists. After Hi'tek linked up with Dre's team, it was that time frame in which he didn't get a lot of placements due to his Aftermath obligations.

 

[NoirDynosaur]

Footage from that night :

Fif had the hunger and stage presence from the beginning

You can tell he was destined to become Hip Hop's next superstar

Everything came at the right place and time

Same with Em

 

[Awesome Wells]

He wasn't "working with Aftermath", he was on the team. Dre recruited a lot of producers to be on the aftermath team, but guys like Nottz turned it down. The thing is, they didn't want to either share their production credit or be restricted to Aftermath artists. After Hi'tek linked up with Dre's team, it was that time frame in which he didn't get a lot of placements due to his Aftermath obligations.

He was literally there doing work-for-hire, bro. Mad people were.

I got there during the Bishop Lamont and Stat Quo sessions. Dre brought in a ton of producers to stay out there for a minute and work on music. I was one of them. No one ever signed anything with Dre that kept them from doing other work. You got on the staff and could leave whenever you wanted and still do outside work. So anyone there was always free to do their own thing while still working on the roster's music. Everyone was just out there working. Hi-Tek never got away form doing his Natty Boy stuff, just like Nottz didn't leave Teamstas.

Everything you typed is mad inaccurate. I don’t know why y'all dudes just make up sh*t on here. But none of what you just wrote is how Dre operates.

 

[Khadafi1982]

yall talk about Eminem's lyricism, but Wordsworth(and many others) match him. Wordsworth is probably the greatest lyricist of all time that no one knows. He flows so effortlessly making every bar count. I can't find the Words and Em cypher on youtube. Then there is that great breakdown of syllables over the Pete Rock "give it to yall" Instrumental. You can't find any of this shyt on youtube for some reason but I have copies of all this on cd. That's crazy. Also can't forget him weekly on MTV's Lyricist Lounge. Words is a lyrical beast. Promotion is everything. I don't care how ill of a rapper you are or how great your albums are, if a machine will not get behind you, it's all worthless. Let's not forget, Illmatic sold nothing in 1994 and had Steve Stoute not restructured Nas' career and had singing on his hooks by Lauryn Hill, Jojo, R Kelly, and even Nas himself, while also putting him in that pink suit, his career would have been done.

I used to be a huge fans of Punch and Words early in the 97-99 era until they drop that first wack EP I-95 2000 produced by Curt Gowdy. Wordsworth was so ill on the mic similar to Rise. In one song he says something like “.. in a cypher your are forced to rhyme about dialling 9, just to get a line out”. Damn!

 

[Fred G. Sanford]

Be funny if 50 was trying to rob Eminem back then

 

[Artificial Intelligence]

Is this like when tony hawk met Tupac but it was ai?

 

[prophecypro]

I had seen that pic before (and another one of them pre-Shady records) but thought it might have been 99 when he had How to Rob out and maybe they met at the same spot

 

[Guvnor]

yall talk about Eminem's lyricism, but Wordsworth(and many others) match him. Wordsworth is probably the greatest lyricist of all time that no one knows. He flows so effortlessly making every bar count. I can't find the Words and Em cypher on youtube. Then there is that great breakdown of syllables over the Pete Rock "give it to yall" Instrumental. You can't find any of this shyt on youtube for some reason but I have copies of all this on cd. That's crazy. Also can't forget him weekly on MTV's Lyricist Lounge. Words is a lyrical beast. Promotion is everything. I don't care how ill of a rapper you are or how great your albums are, if a machine will not get behind you, it's all worthless. Let's not forget, Illmatic sold nothing in 1994 and had Steve Stoute not restructured Nas' career and had singing on his hooks by Lauryn Hill, Jojo, R Kelly, and even Nas himself, while also putting him in that pink suit, his career would have been done.

Is it true J Cole stole Wordsworth's style.