So Farrakhan Working With Scientology Now??

[Dameon Farrow]

One religion interacts with another. Shocking!

Scientology isn't any more far fetched than anything else on the market. It just isn't as popular.

 

[George's Dilemma]

Yakub = Shredder

Xenu = Krang

 

[Black Panther]

Yakub = Shredder

Xenu = Krang

 

[Black Panther]

Again. It's not the same thing. Dianetics' tools are used in CoS
All your questions and concerns are not unique, thus are addressed in the various videos of Honorable Min. Farrakhan speeches, which goes back to my original point of doing research before pushing/following a narrative

more importantly, you're either for or against NOI and Honorable Min. Farrakhan.
Since I'm for them, thus I provide them with the benefit of the doubt, before critizing them on anything

So I researched to get a better understanding of Honorable Min. Farrakhan motives and reasoning of promoting Dianetics to NOI and Black people. And to hear his experience when he went through the process

If you're against them, then I would understand the eagerness to want to push a negative narrative like Honorable Min. Farrakhan is promoting Scientology

Dianetics and Scientology not being the same thing does not change the fact that Farrakhan accepted cash from the CoS, has done "summits" in the past with them, and has agreed with them on several things. Even if he points out the flaws in the CoS, it seems they're not flawed enough for him to refuse their money.

I've done my research on Scientology AND Dianetics, and even if I had beef with the NOI (I don't) I DO have beef with the CoS and the concept of Dianetics. Farrakhan hurts his own credibility by dealing with them.

 

[Dr. Sebi Jr.]

Yo...

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NOI brehs please explain this

You need to do research. And by research, I mean you need to watch Farrakhan videos and not question anything he says.

Dianetics may have been made up by the same conman who made up Scientology, but it's different, you see.

 

[Black Panther]

You need to do research. And by research, I mean you need to watch Farrakhan videos and not question anything he says.

Dianetics may have been made up by the same conman who made up Scientology, but it's different, you see.

#AlternativeFacts

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Dianetics and Scientology not being the same thing does not change the fact that Farrakhan accepted cash from the CoS, has done "summits" in the past with them, and has agreed with them on several things. Even if he points out the flaws in the CoS, it seems they're not flawed enough for him to refuse their money.

I've done my research on Scientology AND Dianetics, and even if I had beef with the NOI (I don't) I DO have beef with the CoS and the concept of Dianetics. Farrakhan hurts his own credibility by dealing with them.

stop it breh, your "research" had you making a thread justifying that both things were the same, now the same "research" has you trying to focus the discussion on buzzwords like "summits" and donations, with no kind of context, so we finna take your dap/rep fishing agent like thread as truth that Honorable Min. Farrakhan is promoting Scientology ?

All it takes is a simple innanet search to see the motivations by the Honorable Min. Farrakhan to push to get NOI members certified in auditing training and to see the various out reach efforts by Scientology to recruit Black folks, whether participating in Ferguson marches, removing initial costs for auditing training to NOI members, and opening centers in mostly Black areas throughout the nation

You don't have beef, respect or knowledge about NOI or Honorable Min. Farrakhan, thus why you would feel comfortable creating a such a TMZ like sensational agent thread that injects confusion and attempts to undermining NOI and Honorable Min. Farrakhan

 

[K.Dot]

The Farrakhan slander WILL NOT be tolerated

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

You need to do research. And by research, I mean you need to watch Farrakhan videos and not question anything he says.

Dianetics may have been made up by the same conman who made up Scientology, but it's different, you see.

what's funny with this statement is that there are popular and useful entities like holidays, theories, algorithms, technology, medicine, institutions, philosophies, and services, that have very questionable origins and/or shady authors, but yet the societal benefits that the entities provides usually overshadows the origins and authors
....
in other words, you nikkas
work for,
work with,
your kids and you are taught by,
or you have in your family
explicit and/or suspected conman, sexist, white supremacist, xenophobes, bigot, racist, but you are willing to shutup, collect your check and education because you separate the benefits from the origins/authors...just like NOI

 

[Black Panther]

stop it breh, your "research" had you making a thread justifying that both things were the same, now the same "research" has you trying to focus the discussion on buzzwords like "summits" and donations, with no kind of context, so we finna take your dap/rep fishing agent like thread as truth that Honorable Min. Farrakhan is promoting Scientology ?

All it takes is a simple innanet search to see the motivations by the Honorable Min. Farrakhan to push to get NOI members certified in auditing training and to see the various out reach efforts by Scientology to recruit Black folks, whether participating in Ferguson marches, removing initial costs for auditing training to NOI members, and opening centers in mostly Black areas throughout the nation

You don't have beef, respect or knowledge about NOI or Honorable Min. Farrakhan, thus why you would feel comfortable creating a such a TMZ like sensational agent thread that injects confusion and attempts to undermining NOI and Honorable Min. Farrakhan

Believe whatever you want, breh. But I do want to address a few specific points:

your "research" had you making a thread justifying that both things were the same

I think I argued pretty consistently that Dianetics is the foundation of the CoS, not that they are the same. Nor do they *have* to be the same for my point to stand. I'm not just attacking the CoS, I'm attacking Dianetics too. It's pseudoscience, and it comes from the same conman that Scientology does.

If you can accept the fact that L. Ron Hubbard was a fraud who mixed psychoanalysis, Aleister Crowley's teachings, and Eastern mysticism together in an attempt to self-diagnose his mental issues, why cling to Dianetics at all?

now the same "research" has you trying to focus the discussion on buzzwords like "summits" and donations, with no kind of context, so we finna take your dap/rep fishing agent like thread as truth that Honorable Min. Farrakhan is promoting Scientology ?

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that Farrakhan is saying it's ok to be a Scientologist or that he's advocating for the organization of the CoS. It's that he's working with them. Him also accepting Dianetics as valid is problematic on it's own. Even if he organized no events with the CoS and didn't accept a dime from them, he's still validating the ideas of a mentally ill science fiction writer with delusions of grandeur.

If my claim is that Farrakhan is *working* with Scientology, and he indeed did meet with them, organized events with them, and accept donations from them, PLEASE tell me in what "context" would he not be *working with Scientology*?

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

Believe whatever you want, breh. But I do want to address a few specific points:
I think I argued pretty consistently that Dianetics is the foundation of the CoS, not that they are the same. Nor do they *have* to be the same for my point to stand. I'm not just attacking the CoS, I'm attacking Dianetics too. It's pseudoscience, and it comes from the same conman that Scientology does.
If you can accept the fact that L. Ron Hubbard was a fraud who mixed psychoanalysis, Aleister Crowley's teachings, and Eastern mysticism together in an attempt to self-diagnose his mental issues, why cling to Dianetics at all?

I think you misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not arguing that Farrakhan is saying it's ok to be a Scientologist or that he's advocating for the organization of the CoS. It's that he's working with them. Him also accepting Dianetics as valid is problematic on it's own. Even if he organized no events with the CoS and didn't accept a dime from them, he's still validating the ideas of a mentally ill science fiction writer with delusions of grandeur.

If my claim is that Farrakhan is *working* with Scientology, and he indeed did meet with them, organized events with them, and accept donations from them, PLEASE tell me in what "context" would he not be *working with Scientology*?

If the purpose of this thread was to spark discussion or inform the public, then more details should be provided either in the title or your first post, to specify in what way are they working together
Working together to....merge
Working together to....write a book
Working together to....have debate
Working together to....discuss intergalactic travel
Working together to....feed the homeless
Working together to....raise consciousness of techniques for purging your psyche of damaging memories and experiences, so that you're a better person, not just a better Scientologist, Muslims, or hybrid

Have you or do you know anyone that has been audited?
How do you know it works or doesn't work?
Do you actively shun anything that has a shady origin or author?

 

[Black Panther]

Have you or do you know anyone that has been audited?
How do you know it works or doesn't work?
Do you actively shun anything that has a shady origin or author?

-No, though I have watched the process and understand the reasoning behind it.

-It doesn't work because the precepts of it are nonsense. An E-meter is 1/3 of a lie detector connected to two cans. The process of auditing uses hypnotic suggestion techniques. It has been tested to be scientifically unsound, and even if the emotions being produced from auditing are real, the supposed "science" behind it is not. You can achieve the same results from seeing an accredited therapist.

-I shun anything that can easily be disproven. Dianetics was invented in the late 1940's, so it's not hard to pin down who the inventor was, what his life experiences were, or what influenced his beliefs. L. Ron Hubbard being mentally ill after returning from naval service is not conjecture; it's an easily proven fact. Him being a protege of Aleister Crowley is a fact. Him lying about his record of service and life before inventing Dianetics is a fact. Him being rejected by the scientific community after presenting Dianetics is a fact.

Do your research.

I don't follow the NOI's teachings and my opinions about Farrakhan are very different from yours, but that doesn't mean I'm trying to tear him down or have beef with him. He's just embracing nonsense. You should be concerned about that.

 

[K.Dot]

-No, though I have watched the process and understand the reasoning behind it.

-It doesn't work because the precepts of it are nonsense. An E-meter is 1/3 of a lie detector connected to two cans. The process of auditing uses hypnotic suggestion techniques. It has been tested to be scientifically unsound, and even if the emotions being produced from auditing are real, the supposed "science" behind it is not. You can achieve the same results from seeing an accredited therapist.

-I shun anything that can easily be disproven. Dianetics was invented in the late 1940's, so it's not hard to pin down who the inventor was, what his life experiences were, or what influenced his beliefs. L. Ron Hubbard being mentally ill after returning from naval service is not conjecture; it's an easily proven fact. Him being a protege of Aleister Crowley is a fact. Him lying about his record of service and life before inventing Dianetics is a fact. Him being rejected by the scientific community after presenting Dianetics is a fact.

Do your research.

I don't follow the NOI's teachings and my opinions about Farrakhan are very different from yours, but that doesn't mean I'm trying to tear him down or have beef with him. He's just embracing nonsense. You should be concerned about that.

The NOI needs $$$ to run breh

 

[Isaiah Bradley]

-No, though I have watched the process and understand the reasoning behind it.

-It doesn't work because the precepts of it are nonsense. An E-meter is 1/3 of a lie detector connected to two cans. The process of auditing uses hypnotic suggestion techniques. It has been tested to be scientifically unsound, and even if the emotions being produced from auditing are real, the supposed "science" behind it is not. You can achieve the same results from seeing an accredited therapist.

-I shun anything that can easily be disproven. Dianetics was invented in the late 1940's, so it's not hard to pin down who the inventor was, what his life experiences were, or what influenced his beliefs. L. Ron Hubbard being mentally ill after returning from naval service is not conjecture; it's an easily proven fact. Him being a protege of Aleister Crowley is a fact. Him lying about his record of service and life before inventing Dianetics is a fact. Him being rejected by the scientific community after presenting Dianetics is a fact.

Do your research.

I don't follow the NOI's teachings and my opinions about Farrakhan are very different from yours, but that doesn't mean I'm trying to tear him down or have beef with him. He's just embracing nonsense. You should be concerned about that.

watched? you're Scientologist that watched an audit session?

So it doesn't work, not because you experienced it. But because you feel comfortable dismissing any mental therapy that includes hypnotic suggestion techniques. Now the reasonable question is how do you know hypnotherapy doesn't work?

 

[Cynic]

L Ron Hubbard was a Satanist/Occultist an a acolyte of Aleister Crowley. I wonder how the NOI come to terms with that?

Hubbard was deemed too weird for occults...

He literally took Jack Parsons b!tch and his money