so why did Curry not win MVP?
What does MVP have to do with scoring?
Did Delly stop him when he gave him 37 in game 5?
So is Kawhi the best perimeter defender ever?
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What does MVP have to do with scoring?
Did Delly stop him when he gave him 37 in game 5?
ReggieFlare
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The problem with this comparison is that we're assuming the great defenders of the past would not be able to adapt to today's game
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When did Kobe say this?
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stopping a player doesn't always have to do with JUST stopping a player from scoring...What does MVP have to do with scoring?
Did Delly stop him when he gave him 37 in game 5?
My favorite player ever was a great perimeter defender and he got lit up before. It happens to EVERYBODY.
stopping a player doesn't always have to do with JUST stopping a player from scoring...
How do you "stop" someone who scored above their season average? His team won, he averaged 26/6/5/2 on 44 and 38%, on what planet is that being stopped?
Hey, bytches, dont slander my man Pippen, you fukkin fakkits.
I'll neg you all
I'll neg you all
Mantis Toboggan M.D.
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He also averaged 6 assists per game :punkcomeon:stopping a player doesn't always have to do with JUST stopping a player from scoring...
The Devil's Advocate
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lets stop acting like hand checking was the only changeI mean, yall dudes go on and on about how the rules favor the offensive players today, meanwhile this mute dude out here clamping dudes up and being a defensive anchor on the damn perimeter. So, with winning his second DPOY we have to ask the question, is he the best defensive perimeter player ever?
How effective would your favorite 90s player be defensively if he wasn't allowed to hand check and had to do it like Kawhi? Better yet, would anyone actually score on Kawhi if he were allowed to handcheck? After all, handchecking is the holy grail of defense according to a lot of yall, so what would happen if Kawhi were given that nuclear weapon, considering he's so dominant without it.
Since 1990, the NBA has instituted a series of rules changes to increase the offensive player's flow and make physical play costly. First came increased penalties for flagrant fouls (1990) and fighting (1993), the implementation of the "five points" rule that called for automatic suspensions of players who amassed a certain number of flagrants (1993). Hand checking was eliminated in 1994. Using the forearm to defend players facing the basket went away in 1997.
In 1999, the league eliminated contact by a defender with his hands and forearms both in the backcourt and frontcourt, except on offensive players who caught the ball below the free throw line extended. Defenses were also prohibited from "re-routing" players off the ball. This freed up perimeter players who used screens to get open. Nor were defenders able any more to grab or impede offensive players setting screens. In 2001, the defensive three-second rule eliminated defenders camping out in the lane away from their offensive man to help.
and that is why people say steph wouldn't be the same in the 90s...
you'd be able to put your hands and elbows all up in the nikka from the time he touched the ball.. you'd be able to hold and impede anyone on his team when they tried to screen you.. you'd be able to foul the fukk out him and get no flagrants... and you could keep a big man down low in case he blew past for the lay up
but to answer you..... no he's not
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it's a HUGE advantage... i don't know that people even know what hand checking is if you think it was some minor thing
For those of you who don’t know what hand-checking is it’s being able to exert physical force on a player using your hands, regardless of whether they are on the perimeter of in the post.
in other words.. someone blowing by you, you can literally put your hands/arms out and impede that progress.. they dribbling up you can extend your arm and put it right on their body and stop their movement.. that's a huge help
i just don't think kawhi is seeing the likes of the glove or pippen on the open floor... he'd be top 5 tho easily
So, it's a huge advantage yet the absolute best perimeter defender today wouldn't be better if he were allowed to be more physical. TheColi yall.
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The mental gymnastics these clowns do to protect the 90's
TheColi yall.
No, the change for the 2004-2005 season is cited as the most impactful, when the rules for handchecking were changed. That is and always will be the one rule everyone is pointing to, and nothing you said would hinder Curry, not even sure why you brought him up
Act like slight guys like Kevin Johnson, Michael Adams and Mark Price weren't giving work in the 90s breh, how did they ever manage to score with the mighty flagrants 
Also, in the 90s teams had illegal defense, you could not devote two defenders to 1 man without the ball, there was no loading the hell out of the strongside like there is today. Also, you don't know what you're talking about in regards to the 3 second rule, there were never any big men just camping out in the lane, that would have been illegal defense back in the day, the three second rule was implemented at the same time as the zone to insure that you didn't play any gimmicky 2-3 zones with some 7'3" dude who can't move. The 3 second rule and the zone came about at the same time, you don't know what you talkin bout B
This. Exactly why I don't do these arguments, shyt is pointless
It was two different eras
If you've been watching PG's defense on Derozan there's no way you can say Kawhi is a better perimeter defender. Kawhi gets plenty of help and he gets scored on all the time. He's good at locking up Lebron (which isn't that hard bc he can't shoot) and guys similar to his size. Pippen, Kobe, Ron Ron, Tony Allen, we're all lockdown defenders for anybody 1-3 for the most part.
Kawhi is up there but he's not the best ever.
Kawhi is up there but he's not the best ever.