So it begins- Wendy's To Switch To Self Ordering and Automation To Avoid $15/hr Wage hike

[NotAnFBIagent]

Not sure if I agree with that. The average American today has access to a computer, a LCD TV, a smartphone, cable, and a list of other things that 20 years ago were only easily attainable by the upper middle class. Back in 2000 I paid $2100 for a plasma and $1200 for a Dell laptop. Look at how quickly that's changed.

You think somehow that automation is like a switch that just shuts off labor - it takes humans to create, maintain, and continuously innovative. Automation does not equal the end of jobs. It means new, different jobs.

How can u disagree with an easily proven fact a quick Google search would show how wages have been stagnant and even declining for decades

And I've said how tech won't eliminate all jobs but replace significantly more than it creates...so u believe there will be enough jobs created in I.t. And robotics to replace all the jobs technology will render obsolete

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

I'm not saying technology and innovation are bad things, it's actually the opposite they make life better. The point I'm tryna make is when it gets to the inevitable point where technology can replace significantly more jobs than it creates then it's a problem when the main source of income is from working jobs. This cheap labor u speak of is great for the owners and those at the top but shytty for everyone else just tryna survive who are alread underpaid as is and liable to be replaced.

In my perfect world we'd have a basic income to live off, robots/tech would perform most tasks and those who wanna work would have the option to...kinda like the world in wall-e except we all wouldn't be fat slobs

Naw, people need jobs. People need purpose. Its pretty well documented that unemployment = crime. But unemployment is also linked to depression. You probably think not working would make you happy, but it wouldn't. It's much more likely that you just hate your job. Automation could (and has) increased job satisfaction. But the jobs automation creates require skills and training. That's really what's missing.

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Right - because our taxes wouldn't go up if minimum wages were raised.

It would for the "minimum basic wage" people are proposing.

Speaking of which, for all you minimum basic wage people, where would that money come from?

 

[Carlos Huerta]

How can u disagree with an easily proven fact a quick Google search would show how wages have been stagnant and even declining for decades

And I've said how tech won't eliminate all jobs but replace significantly more than it creates...so u believe there will be enough jobs created in I.t. And robotics to replace all the jobs technology will render obsolete

I'm disagreeing with your premise - that we as a society are worse off.

Tech is not supposed to displace jobs one for one. Just like every machine that has been created since the start of the Industrial Revolution, there will be a new industry created to improve it. This has been going for over 200 years.

 

[Carlos Huerta]

It would for the "minimum basic wage" people are proposing.

Speaking of which, for all you minimum basic wage people, where would that money come from?

I was being sarcastic.

 

[Banned Account12]

i just left wendys bout 10 mins ago

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

Naw, people need jobs. People need purpose. Its pretty well documented that unemployment = crime. But unemployment is also linked to depression. You probably think not working would make you happy, but it wouldn't. It's much more likely that you just hate your job. Automation could (and has) increased job satisfaction. But the jobs automation creates require skills and training. That's really what's missing.

Which is why work would be optional for those who want to. There will still be people working just the workforce will be smaller since robots are doing a lot of the jobs

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

I'm disagreeing with your premise - that we as a society are worse off.

Tech is not supposed to displace jobs one for one. Just like every machine that has been created since the start of the Industrial Revolution, there will be a new industry created to improve it. This has been going for over 200 years.

Where did I say we were worse off?
So how many I.t workers and companies do u think will pop up in comparison to those workers displaced by technology?
What happens when we reach a saturation point where most processes are automated and only require maintenance and occasionally upgrading?

 

[Carlos Huerta]

Where did I say we were worse off?
So how many I.t workers and companies do u think will pop up in comparison to those workers displaced by technology?
What happens when we reach a saturation point where most processes are automated and only require maintenance and occasionally upgrading?

You brought stagnant wages to assert that technological advances don't make things cheaper.

Breh what are you arguing about? I mean really - we should just get rid of all machines today because then we'll have "full employment", right?

The goal of any economy is maximum productivity, not maximum employment.

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

You brought stagnant wages to assert that technological advances don't make things cheaper.

Breh what are you arguing about? I mean really - we should just get rid of all machines today because then we'll have "full employment", right?

The goal of any economy is maximum productivity, not maximum employment.

Consumer products have gotten cheaper but what about gas, food, rent insurance...the overall cost of living is steadily increasing

The whole point I've been saying from the get go is that tech and automation will render a significant number of jobs obsolete and that we will need to adjust how the economy works in a decreased work field.
Y'all keep acting like I said that's a bad thing when I didn't. If the economy is to perform at maximum efficiency that means a lot of jobs done by humans will need to be replaced by technology right?
And where does that leave the millions of displaced humans with no job prospects and no income? Like I said in the first post a universal income will be a way to solve this inevitability

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Which is why work would be optional for those who want to. There will still be people working just the workforce will be smaller since robots are doing a lot of the jobs

And where would the money for people who don't want to work come from?

 

[NotAnFBIagent]

And where would the money for people who don't want to work come from?

Idk all the particulars but the govt just prints money anyways we already have plenty of programs for the unemployed and working poor with unemployment food stamps and such u can roll it into one program for starters

What do u think gonna happen when millions of people can't find work cause the robots took all the jobs

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

Idk all the particulars but the govt just prints money anyways we already have plenty of programs for the unemployed and working poor with unemployment food stamps and such u can roll it into one program for starters

What do u think gonna happen when millions of people can't find work cause the robots took all the jobs

Machines didnt take jobs. Computers didn't take jobs. And there are already robots in use.

Maybe you should figure out the particulars of your ideas. All those programs are paid for, mostly with real money.

And printing money indiscriminantly makes it worthless.

 

[Banned Account12]

wish i would have read this thread earlier

are salads from Wendys any good brehs???

 

[Rawtid]

Consumer products have gotten cheaper but what about gas, food, rent insurance...the overall cost of living is steadily increasing

The whole point I've been saying from the get go is that tech and automation will render a significant number of jobs obsolete and that we will need to adjust how the economy works in a decreased work field.
Y'all keep acting like I said that's a bad thing when I didn't. If the economy is to perform at maximum efficiency that means a lot of jobs done by humans will need to be replaced by technology right?
And where does that leave the millions of displaced humans with no job prospects and no income? Like I said in the first post a universal income will be a way to solve this inevitability

There is no decreased work field, there is group of workers that lack the skill to move into a different job. People are partially to blame for why they are being left out of the current job market. If you're a cashier at Walmart, you take the skills you obtain from that job and find something that pays decently. Yes, it may require a degree or some sort of training but that's better than being stuck at Walmart wishing they paid more money.