So lebron passed kobe up

[dreskii]

this should be first reply to every kobe vs bron thread.

 

[JackRoss]

I went from thinkin Kobe was the better all around player to questioning if Kobe was a better offensive player to Bron got him on D but id still take Kobe kobe mental illness is starting to afflict me

 

[Mr.Silver]

(I didn't write this someone else did)

Lebron 4 MVP's 3 FMVP's
Kobe 1 MVP 2 FMVP's

Championships (Team achievement)
Lebron 3
Kobe 5

Regular season
Lebron 27.3 ppg 7.1 rpg 6.9 ast 49% FG
Kobe 25.0 ppg 5.2 rpg 4.7 ast 44% FG

Play Offs
Lebron 28.0 ppg 8.5 rpg 6.5 apg 47% FG
Kobe 25.6 ppg 5.1 rpg 4.7 apg 44% FG

Finals
Lebron 26.7 ppg 9.6 rpg 7.1 apg 45% FG
Kobe 25.1 ppg 5.6 rpg 5.1 apg 41% FG

Game 7's (highest pressure games)
Lebron 32.3 ppg 9.3 rpg 4.8 apg 45.1 FG
Kobe 22.2 ppg 8.0 rpg 5.0 apg 38.9 FG

Elimination games (never give up mentality)
Lebron 31.1 ppg 11.0 rpg 7.9 apg 46.3 FG
Kobe 22.3 ppg 5.6 rpg 3.7 apg 41.7 FG

PER
Lebron ranked # 2 All Time
Kobe ranked # 22 All Time NOT EVEN TOP 20 ALL TIME LMAO

WS
Lebron ranked # 11 All Time
Kobe ranked # 15 All time

WS per 48 Min
Lebron ranked # 6 All time
Kobe ranked # 54 All time

BPM
Lebron ranked # 1 All Time
Kobe ranked # 33 All Time

To save time,
Lebron has Kobe beat in - PPG, RPG, APG,SPG, BPG, TS%, eFG%, ORB%,DRB%, ORtg, DRtg, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, VORP.

CLUTCH PLAYOFFS
LeBron: 8-19 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds
Kobe: 7-28 on go-ahead or tying shots in final 24 seconds

Current Playoff Records Held (only player in history too..)
Lebron 18
Kobe 2

Current Finals Records Held (only player in history too..)
Lebron 18
Kobe 1

Triple Doubles Reg Season
Lebron 37
Kobe 19

Triple Doubles Playoffs
Lebron 14
Kobe 0

Finals Triple Doubles
Lebron 6
Kobe 0

Lebron outperforms Kobe in the Regular season, playoffs and Finals. Lebron outperforms Kobe in game 7's, close out games and elimination games. Lebron outperforms Kobe in head to head match ups. Lebron is 16-6 against Kobe while statistically outperforming him. Lebron is a better teammate, a better leader, has more NBA records, NBA achievements/awards, Lebron is breaking all of Kobes "youngest player to score X amount of points.

If these facts check out then I ain't think it was this bad

 

[Wacky D]

LeBron passed kobe up like a decade ago.

the only people that put kobe in the conversation with players like LeBron & Jordan are kobe stans.

in reality, kobe is a top 20 player that the media desperately tried to groom into the top 5. that didn't work, so now theyre forcing him in the top 10.

 

[bucks3115]

Who? Name these people that currently have Kobe over Lebron

Last nite stephen jackson said it

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

LeBron passed kobe up like a decade ago.

the only people that put kobe in the conversation with players like LeBron & Jordan are kobe stans.

in reality, kobe is a top 20 player that the media desperately tried to groom into the top 5. that didn't work, so now theyre forcing him in the top 10.

Kobe was in that conversation of being compared to Jordan before Lebron even came into the league nikka please. Most of that 1998 all star game was kobe vs jordan

And @ the bolded I wouldn't go that far either. In 2007 Lebron didn't everything had at that point and by 2010 Lebron had only 2 mvps 0 rings and a finals lost. Kobe had 5 rings, 2 fmvps and was only 1 MVP behind him at that point. And who's these 10 other players keeping him out the top 10?Id love to see that list.

 

[Hey_zeus]

THATS ALMOST FUNNIER THAN DRAJE INSECURE ASS WANTIN TO GET HIS KRS NOSE DONE AND HAVIN THE NERVE TO BE JUDGIN FOLKS ON THEY LOOKS

Who?

 

[VegasCAC]

THIS IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO

THE GENERAL CONSENSUS HAS TO BE TOLD BY OTHERS WHO IS BETTER, BECAUSE THEY GOT NO CLUE WHATSOEVER IN REGARDS TO WHAT THEYRE WATCHING WHEN THEY TURN ON A GAME.

No, I watched both in their prime, and from my own observation, Lebron is much better. The fact that a vast majority of people who are paid to watch and analyze basketball agree with me is just a bonus.

The fact is that no one outside of delusional internet stans and some Laker homer teammates place Kobe over Lebron. It's damn near a consensus for people who watch and understand the game.

It's over. Move on.

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Kobe was in that conversation of being compared to Jordan before Lebron even came into the league nikka please. Most of that 1998 all star game was kobe vs jordan

What is this bullshyt?

Is there anyone other than Kobe stans who EVER brings up All-star games in GOAT debates?


In the 1998 playoffs Kobe was awful. Lakers beat the 62-win Sonics with Kobe on the bench the whole time, then embarrassed himself against the Jazz. Averaged like 8ppg on 33% shooting for the playoffs and you're claiming Jordan comparisons? It was just fukking NBA/Los Angeles hype. Hell, Harold Minor had Jordan connections when he came into the league.

BRON GOT LEAP FROGGED LAST YR
AND THERE WERE STEPH/MJ DEBATES.

HE WON SO THEY MENTION HIM VS MJ AGAIN.

A FEW YRS FROM NOW THEYLL BE KD/MJ DEBATES.


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Steph wasn't ahead of Lebron for even ONE postseason. Stop talking about what someone did for part of a regular season like it defined shyt - if we graded by that then we'd be talking about McGrady and Carter like GOATs.

That is the one argument that I feel is valid when it comes to Kobe vs LeBron. LeBron hit the genetic lottery and thats not debatable. A lot of what he does is amplified by the fact that he's 6'8 260 or whatever. If he was 6'5 220 like an average SG, what would he even be?

He'd have played the point, and he'd be a bigger John Wall with a better jump shot. Which would probably mean he'd still have been in the MVP discussion some years.

If Kobe were 6'3" 190lb like the average point guard, what would he have been? He wouldn't have been able to play the point because of his mentality, so he'd just be this tweener guard who still took 20 shots/game but who wouldn't have been able to get his shot off nearly as often.

Outside of just using lazy narratives, what exactly does Bron do better than Bean? And I'm being sincere. There's a huge difference between being talented and being skilled. Bron is talented. Bean is skilled. There's literally no nuance to Bron's game. I don't know how many times I've heard this past series, "IF Bron is gonna continue to shoot like that from three, he's unstoppable." And that right there, speaks volumes to his game and the lack of nuance in it. Could Bron win a series, let alone a title, playing with his back to the basket playing the high post? No.....but we've seen Bean do it. Can Bron win a series, let alone a title, playing off ball? No.....but we've seen Bean do it. If you write out all of Bron's best attributes on the floor and decide to take one of them away, would he still be the Bron you see today? I like Bron, but you're fooling yourself is you think Bron is as skilled as Bean is playing the game of basketball. I hate these "Player A vs Player B" convos because they lack context and nuance. Bron is definitely one of the most talented players I've ever seen, but his skill level is notcheS below his talent level is.

What does Bron do better than Kobe?

Better finisher at the basket
Better at getting to the basket
Better shot selection
Better 3pt% (due mostly to better shot selection) despite shooting just as many threes
Better passer
Better ball distributor (in terms of court vision, making good decisions with the passing, and keeping his teammates involved).
Better rebounder
Better one-on-one defender of point guards
Better one-on-one defender of small forwards
Better one-on-one defender of power forwards
Better one-on-one defender of centers
Better rim protector
Better at orchastrating the team defense
Better decision maker in the clutch
Rises to the occasion more in must-win games
Better team leader


Kobe is a better midrange shooter, better ball handler, has better footwork, is a better one-on-one defender of shooting guards. And free throws.

 

[West Coast Avenger]

LeBron passed kobe up like a decade ago.

the only people that put kobe in the conversation with players like LeBron & Jordan are kobe stans.

in reality, kobe is a top 20 player that the media desperately tried to groom into the top 5. that didn't work, so now theyre forcing him in the top 10.

I see your opinion on sports correlates with your opinion on hip hop.......

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

What is this bullshyt?

Is there anyone other than Kobe stans who EVER brings up All-star games in GOAT debates?


In the 1998 playoffs Kobe was awful. Lakers beat the 62-win Sonics with Kobe on the bench the whole time, then embarrassed himself against the Jazz. Averaged like 8ppg on 33% shooting for the playoffs and you're claiming Jordan comparisons? It was just fukking NBA/Los Angeles hype. Hell, Harold Minor had Jordan connections when he came into the league.






Steph wasn't ahead of Lebron for even ONE postseason. Stop talking about what someone did for part of a regular season like it defined shyt - if we graded by that then we'd be talking about McGrady and Carter like GOATs.






He'd have played the point, and he'd be a bigger John Wall with a better jump shot. Which would probably mean he'd still have been in the MVP discussion some years.

If Kobe were 6'3" 190lb like the average point guard, what would he have been? He wouldn't have been able to play the point because of his mentality, so he'd just be this tweener guard who still took 20 shots/game but who wouldn't have been able to get his shot off nearly as often.






What does Bron do better than Kobe?

Better finisher at the basket
Better at getting to the basket
Better shot selection
Better 3pt% (due mostly to better shot selection) despite shooting just as many threes
Better passer
Better ball distributor (in terms of court vision, making good decisions with the passing, and keeping his teammates involved).
Better rebounder
Better one-on-one defender of point guards
Better one-on-one defender of small forwards
Better one-on-one defender of power forwards
Better one-on-one defender of centers
Better rim protector
Better at orchastrating the team defense
Better decision maker in the clutch
Rises to the occasion more in must-win games
Better team leader


Kobe is a better midrange shooter, better ball handler, has better footwork, is a better one-on-one defender of shooting guards. And free throws.

He said the only people who bring up kobe in the discussions with Lebron and Jordan are only kobe stans. Yea, cause kobe and Jordan weren't being compared the minute kobe came into the league while Lebron was still in middle school and the video I posted highlighted the attention surrounding the kobe vs Jordan comparisons. Nice of you to try to goal post move though like i care what who did what in that actual season nikka Lebron wasn't even playing high school ball yet in 1998. And kobe was the first bench player to start in a all star game. You forgot that right danksnitch?

 

[Professor Emeritus]

He said the only people who bring up kobe in the discussions with Lebron and Jordan are only kobe stans. Yea, cause kobe and Jordan weren't being compared the minute kobe came into the league while Lebron was still in middle school and the video I posted highlighted the attention surrounding the kobe vs Jordan comparisons. Nice of you to try to goal post move though like i care what who did what in that actual season nikka Lebron wasn't even playing high school ball yet in 1998. And kobe was the first bench player to start in a all star game. You forgot that right danksnitch?

We're talking actual careers and accomplishments here, not whatever you're trying to push. NO ONE thought that Kobe deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan based on anything he'd actually done in 1998 - not by any accomplishments, not by any skills, not by anything. People were comparing him to Jordan based on style and potential. That is NOT what we're discussing here.

And you actually brought up Laker fans voting Kobe into the All-star game even though he was 15-3-3 on 42% shooting as if that was an accomplishment.

 

[Jordan>>LeFrozen]

Damn, I forgot I was arguing against a mentally disabled dude.


We're talking actual careers and accomplishments here, not whatever bullshyt you're trying to push. NO ONE thought that Kobe deserved to be mentioned in the same sentence as Jordan in 1998 - not by any accomplishments, not by any skills, not by anything. People were comparing him to Jordan based on style and potential. That is NOT what we're discussing here.

And you actually brought up idiot Laker fans voting Kobe into the All-star game even though he was a shytty ass 15-3-3 on 42% shooting as if that was an accomplishment.

Yea because kobe vs Jordan was a consistent arguement even in the 00s while Lebron was scoring 22 on 35% shooting in the finals and getting waxed throughout the playoffs rightkobe vs Jordan been an arguement before made it to HS. Kobe dikk all on your tonsils nukka

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Only reason this is even a question is because Kobe had the LA fan base and media machine hyping his entire career, and certain White people turned on Lebron after The Decision.

Plus, Kobe knows how to be "post-racial" and not upset the 90% non-Black fan base that lines up behind the Lakers. Or he's just like that because he grew up rich and in Italy.


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Just a bunch of white people celebrating

 

[Professor Emeritus]

Yea because kobe vs Jordan was a consistent arguement even in the 00s while Lebron was scoring 22 on 35% shooting in the finals and getting waxed throughout the playoffs rightkobe vs Jordan been an arguement before made it to HS. Kobe dikk all on your tonsils nukka

Ain't NO ONE outside of Los Angeles was making a serious Kobe vs. Jordan argument in 2007 when Kobe literally had ZERO mvps and ZERO Finals mvps.


He brought up Lebron's Finals numbers playing 1-on-5 against the Spurs as a 22yo in his 4th season when Kobe had already had a worse Finals than that on a better team as a 25yo in his 8th season.

Getting waxed throughout the playoffs? That shyt NEVER happened in Lebron's career.


I'm gonna stop responding to you now.