So let's talk about the 13th Amendment..the one that freed the slaves...

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Well thought out response. This is definitely the most valuable post in this thread. Amazing dialogue. :wow:

Sorry I didn't know I was in the Fisher Price "My First Hotep" thread. I thought that info was widely know which is why so many black people have a higher chance of going to jail, if isn't then, my bad.
 

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Sorry I didn't know I was in the Fisher Price "My First Hotep" thread. I thought that info was widely know which is why so many black people have a higher chance of going to jail, if isn't then, my bad.
Naw I'm just fukkin with u, breh. This thread is for in depth analysis tho. Or should we tell Michelle Alexander "don't worry about writing the new Jim Crow. We already that info Michelle!!"

My First hotep? The fukk does that even mean?
 

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Big example, given the recent incidents involving law enforcement....there is this seminal Supreme Court decision involving Illinois' police and its citizens which has had enormous precedent vis-a-vis blacks and the police (sorry I can't remember the name off the top of my head).

Generally, police must have probable cause in order to place in custody/arrest people who leave (or run away) when they arrive anywhere. In that Illinois case, the police were in a "high crime" area in which they saw an individual flee upon seeing the police. The police gave chase, seized and arrested him, and found drugs/weapons on the individual's person. Naturally, the individual retained counsel and tried to have all of what they found on him excluded from evidence in the trial against him. The case went all the way to the Supreme Court and the Court established the precedent that a police can chase after people in a "high crime" area who flee upon their arrival, provided they have probable cause. Here's the kicker though: if a police already has "reasonable suspicion" that the individual is involved in illegal activity/is armed in that "high crime" area, and that individual flees upon the police's arrival, the Court has determined that the individual's flight from police presence elevates their "reasonable suspicion" to the requisite probable cause for them to give chase. :francis:Moreover, when you combine that precedent with the fact that police are allowed to use deadly force if they have sufficient reason to believe that the fleeing individual is a danger to the officer or the general public, it can only mean trouble. So, with people in "high crime" areas (vague definition and can cynically be read to mean predominantly black areas :upsetfavre:), if you flee the scene when you see the police, it can be open season on your ass. And the unfortunate unspoken truth is to the police, blacks are inherently suspicious. :SoDemonicHillary:

Take that precedent and apply it to the Walter Scott situation in Charleston, South Carolina (a "high crime" area). As we know, Mr. Scott was shot in his back as he was running AWAY from the police (Michael Slager). According to Slager, Scott was a danger to his safety/the public's safety as he was supposedly running away from him with his taser. Keep in mind that before the fatal shooting, Slager chased Scott (who ran from his car) to a lot, where they were involved in a physical altercation (more than enough probable cause for Scott to be arrested). After the altercation, Scott started running away. Slager then shot 8 rounds into his back. What was the first thing Slager reported on his walkie-talkie when he called for assistance? "He took my taser!" :ohhh:Hence, reconciling this situation with the Supreme Court decision from Illinois (and general police rights), Slager was legally justified in shooting Scott (according to his version of events) because: 1. Scott was in a "high crime" area, 2. he fled from his car when he was stopped for a broken tail light :martin: (reasonable suspicion-->probable cause-->he could be chased), 3. they were involved in an altercation (more than enough reason to arrest Scott), 4. Scott ran away again allegedly with Slager's taser, and 5. Scott supposedly presented a danger to him and the generally public when he was supposedly fleeing with the taser. :mjpls:

This is why it will not surprise me one iota if Slager gets to walk (even though he's been indicted).

And notice that Zimmerman, who wasn't even an officer by the way, described Trayvon Martin as "suspicious" before he gave chase and gunned him down. If Zimmerman could be found not guilty, what do you think will happen with police when they gun blacks down and claim that they initially chased them because they seemed "suspicious"?:jbhmm:



This is just ONE example of how the law can screw people over.

The law as it applies to black people is something else.:GhostfaceStare: Know your rights. Know the law.
 
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Even though this is evidence that can be used as "see, white people know what their doing with respect to oppression."

An argument can also be made that, although, at the time, the ruling class knew what they were doing with respect to subjugation, the current society is more on autopilot with institutional racism which would explain why many white people, even with bring honest, just can't see how this Country is engaging in archaic policy.

Spooky either way...
 
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Lots of great information here...

We have to look at the system as a whole... that means

Penitentaries - and what they were prior to the 13th amendment (Places for penitence not for punishment)
Legislators - what type of laws were passed and who were they passed against ( everything from the Black codes to Clinton's crime reform bill)
State prison systems - who said they couldn't afford to keep convicts and so instead would lease out their labor in exchange for payment (see then "convict-lease system" to today's Private prison industry)

Add in the police who are just "doing their job" just like it was their job to enforce segregation laws back then. Who do you think made sure blacks didn't drink out of white fountains.....
 

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Lots of great information here...

We have to look at the system as a whole... that means

Penitentaries - and what they were prior to the 13th amendment (Places for penitence not for punishment)
Legislators - what type of laws were passed and who were they passed against ( everything from the Black codes to Clinton's crime reform bill)
State prison systems - who said they couldn't afford to keep convicts and so instead would lease out their labor in exchange for payment (see then "convict-lease system" to today's Private prison industry)

Add in the police who are just "doing their job" just like it was their job to enforce segregation laws back then. Who do you think made sure blacks didn't drink out of white fountains.....

Do you intend to go into criminal law practice or into policy/legislative reform, by any chance?
 

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Low key...

Even though this is evidence that can be used as "see, white people know what their doing with respect to oppression."

An argument csn also be made that, although, at the time, the ruling class knew what they were doing with respect to subjugation, the current society is moreon autopilot with institutional racism which would explain why many white people, even with bring honest, just can't see how this Country is engaging in archaic policy.

Spooky either way...
Right. look at the way the breh above you explained the Supreme Court precedence. a lot of people will come to the conclusion that someone fleeing from a "high crime area" and being arrested is a good thing and leave it at that. These are every day people I'm talking about that just want to go to their shytty jobs, come home, and have their peace . People are generally innocent/ignorant in the way they view things so they will never look into whether it actually was a high crime area, how it came to be seen that way, and what exactly the parameters are that set them apart. Hell people will say someone fleeing in a crime area got what he deserved but be outraged when it happens to Tom doing the exact same shyt and never even imagine themselves in that situation
 

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Do you intend to go into criminal law practice or into policy/legislative reform, by any chance?
lol, nah man. I'm in business law... Only reform left is economic reform. I'm going to step into the game on every level available and just go toe to toe. Mastering the law just added another weapon to my arsenal. Going to Howard gave me a dojo and a foundation upon which to create my style.
 

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lol, nah man. I'm in business law... Only reform left is economic reform. I'm going to step into the game on every level available and just go toe to toe. Mastering the law just added another weapon to my arsenal. Going to Howard gave me a dojo and a foundation upon which to create my style.

Well keep doing you. You're a smart breh so I have no doubt you'll be successful. May wanna partner up with you in the future.
 

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Lots of great information here...

We have to look at the system as a whole... that means

Penitentaries - and what they were prior to the 13th amendment (Places for penitence not for punishment)
Legislators - what type of laws were passed and who were they passed against ( everything from the Black codes to Clinton's crime reform bill)
State prison systems - who said they couldn't afford to keep convicts and so instead would lease out their labor in exchange for payment (see then "convict-lease system" to today's Private prison industry)

Add in the police who are just "doing their job" just like it was their job to enforce segregation laws back then. Who do you think made sure blacks didn't drink out of white fountains.....
Good point. Also, it was illegal to be "unemployed" when slavery "ended". Black folk ended up working on farms as a result for an indefinite amount of time to work off debts, another form of slavery.
 

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Good point. Also, it was illegal to be "unemployed" when slavery "ended". Black folk ended up working on farms as a result for an indefinite amount of time to work off debts, another form of slavery.

Sharecropping, which was virtually slavery-lite. "Freed" slaves were given room/board in former slave quarters in exchange for their labor. And some of the slave masters had the nerve to charge them for necessaries.:martin:
 
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