So Stephen Curry is rated the 4th best point guard of all time?

[Tunez]

fukk ESPN


Nash is not better than Jason Kidd or Gary Payton.

LOLOLOLOL at Steph being 4th

 

[Thegospel]

Last thing I'mma post... cause John Stockton aint paying be to be his PR company, but...

Hard to argue that. Thats real props given. Not like Bron riding cpo nuts cause they boys

 

[feelosofer]

Too early to say, but based off Curry's accomplishments to date, I can't put him higher than 7.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Zeke is one of the most overrated players in league history

No longevity, inefficient and a poor defender. Has only one season leading a top offense. His legendary status is because he won alot but the problem with that is that those squads were defensive oriented teams and Isiah had nothing to do with that.

No longevity? He was one of the best PGs for 10+ years - his individual stats took a dip when Daly took a more balanced approach on offense + Dumars' increased role during the late-80s onwards.
Inefficient? You're going to call him inefficient and put Kidd above him?
A poor defender? From the mid-80s to early-90s he was one of best PG defenders. It was only early on in his career where he was a poor defender.

See -

Kidd averaged 12.6 ppg on 40% shooting (50% TS) during the regular season (36 minutes per game) and 12.9 ppg on 39% shooting (49% TS) during the postseason for his career with peaks of 16.9ppg/10.2 apg and 18.7 ppg/8.9 assists.

Zeke averaged 19.2 ppg on 45% shooting (51% TS) during the regular season (36 minutes per game) and 20.4 ppg on 44% shooting (52% TS) during the postseason for his career with peaks of 22.9 ppg/7.8 apg, 21.3 ppg/11.1 apg, 21.2 ppg/13.9 apg and 20.9 ppg/10.8 apg.

2001/02 Nets - 17th ranked offfense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2002/03 Nets - 18th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2003/04 Nets - 25th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2004/05 Nets - 26th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2005/06 Nets - 25th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2006/07 Nets - 16th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2007/08 Nets - 25th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)

1982/1983 Pistons - 11th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 38 minutes)
1983/1984 Pistons - 1st ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 36 minutes)
1984/1985 Pistons - 9th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 38 minutes)
1985/1986 Pistons - 7th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 36 minutes)
1986/1987 Pistons - 9th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 37 minutes)
1987/1988 Pistons - 6th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 36 minutes)
1988/1989 Pistons - 7th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 36 minutes)
1989/1990 Pistons - 11th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 37 minutes)

How can you sit there and say that Zeke doesn't have an argument over Kidd, when he ran a top 10 offense just about every single season in Detroit (Kidd ran average to the worst offenses); averaged seven more points throughout his regular season career and eight more points during his postseason career, on more efficient percentages.

This shouldn't even be an argument. Zeke is on another level. Kidd doesn't even come close.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Unlike curry, Stockton guarded his man. Curry would be trying to guard jeff or some shyt getting lit up by him.

Most nba players you can't guard them 1 on 1, Stockton would need help on curry, while curry would need help on jeff.

Stockton wouldn't run from the matchup

LOL at Steph needing help on and gettting "lit up" by Hornacek. Stockton's confidence is not in question, his on the ball defense is.

 

[SwagKingKong]

No longevity? He was one of the best PGs for 10+ years - his individual stats took a dip when Daly took a more balanced approach on offense + Dumars' increased role during the late-80s onwards.
Inefficient? You're going to call him inefficient and put Kidd above him?
A poor defender? From the mid-80s to early-90s he was one of best PG defenders. It was only early on in his career where he was a poor defender.

See -

Yes, no longevity compared to other all-time great. Meh, his stats were never that impressive to begin wtih. He was inefficient and turnover prone. Played for one great offensive team the others were good to average.

Oh, he was one of the best PGs for 10+ years. Remind me again of what PGs he battled with? The PG position has never been stronger than it is today. There's simply no evidence of Isiah Thomas being an all-time great. His stats doesn't compare to other all-time greats and he doesn't make up for it with longevity.

Yes, I put Kidd above him. Both are inefficient offensively and Kidd has pretty much always been overrated offensively. But Kidd had a pretty big impact defensively, especially for being a PG and was much more durable than Thomas.

 

[ghostwriterx]

Nah... sounds like you never saw him play if you think he couldn't.
He has more steals than all-time great lockdown defenders like Jordan & Pippen for a reason.

What exactly are you implying here?

 

[ManBearPig]

Too early to say, but based off Curry's accomplishments to date, I can't out him higher than 7.

He had the best year for a PG since what? magic in 87.

And he is playing even more sensational this season

 

[Consumed]

Now you really about to start some shyt up in this thread

Cant see how anyone who watched him play could really have a problem with that. Penny was unreal

I wouldn't put him above Magic and Robertson but he's clearly still ahead of Curry career wise. Curry obviously had the better peak and will bridge that gap even further this season and will obviously pass him all-time with a few more seasons under his belt.

Peak is great, I value that alot. Probably more than others generally do but when someone can put together the amount of quality seasons that Stockton did you have to account for it. If anything I find Stockton underrated.

Who other than Magic, Robertson, CP3 and Nash can you put above him career wise? I much rather have 19 seasons of Stockton than 13 seasons of Isiah Thomas. It's not even debatable to me.

True, there is something to be said for consistency and I wouldn't put Curry over him all time at this moment b/c of the divide in longevity. I just have a general issue with Stockton being argued above the likes of those three as a prime player when he was never on their level.

 

[Luke Cage]

LOL at Steph needing help on and gettting "lit up" by Hornacek. Stockton's confidence is not in question, his on the ball defense is.

All time steals leader and dirty fouler
Was actually pretty confident on d.

That's like saying mutumbos rim protection defense is questionable.

What was weak about his d was help defense

 

[Trip]

The Stockton love is confusing to me. He was never a top five player in the NBA and simply wasn't a dominant force like Magic, Oscar and Curry. Not a better player than peak Penny either. Longevity is his greatest attribute

Your post was going ok until you brought Penny Hardaway into the convo lol

 

[Won Won]

If Stockton was black........

...Malone would have been ?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yes, no longevity compared to other all-time great. Meh, his stats were never that impressive to begin wtih. He was inefficient and turnover prone. Played for one great offensive team the others were good to average.

Oh, he was one of the best PGs for 10+ years. Remind me again of what PGs he battled with? The PG position has never been stronger than it is today. There's simply no evidence of Isiah Thomas being an all-time great. His stats doesn't compare to other all-time greats and he doesn't make up for it with longevity.

Why are you speaking as if these arguments aren't more applicable to Kidd?

Yes, I put Kidd above him. Both are inefficient offensively and Kidd has pretty much always been overrated offensively. But Kidd had a pretty big impact defensively, especially for being a PG and was much more durable than Thomas.

You can't just group them in the same box as if they were "inefficient" with similar production/impact - if you missed it the first time -

Kidd averaged 12.6 ppg on 40% shooting (50% TS) during the regular season (36 minutes per game) and 12.9 ppg on 39% shooting (49% TS) during the postseason for his career with peaks of 16.9ppg/10.2 apg and 18.7 ppg/8.9 assists.

Zeke averaged 19.2 ppg on 45% shooting (51% TS) during the regular season (36 minutes per game) and 20.4 ppg on 44% shooting (52% TS) during the postseason for his career with peaks of 22.9 ppg/7.8 apg, 21.3 ppg/11.1 apg, 21.2 ppg/13.9 apg and 20.9 ppg/10.8 apg.

That's like saying Westbrook and Jrue are "inefficient offensively" - failing to take into account the difference in workload and production.

Kidd didn't make up the impact-difference on the defensive end (let alone surpass Zeke), especially since he played on a slow-paced team with a help-orientated scheme in NJ. His reputation long outlasted his defensive impact; not to mention he was never that great to begin with. Kidd isn't even on Zeke's level, I don't see how any reasonable person could argue this.

 

[PhonZhi]

If Stockton had a better PF he'd have a ring

 

[Luke Cage]

Your post was going ok until you brought Penny Hardaway into the convo lol

I wish people would stop mentioning penny, dude was only Great in NBA for like ten seconds before he got hurt,
If Jeremy Lin had gotten hurt after linsanity and never recovered people would be trying to put him up there too.