So Stephen Curry is rated the 4th best point guard of all time?

[SwagKingKong]

Why are you speaking as if these arguments aren't more applicable to Kidd?

You can't just group them in the same box as if they were "inefficient" with similar production/impact - if you missed it the first time -

Kidd averaged 12.6 ppg on 40% shooting (50% TS) during the regular season (36 minutes per game) and 12.9 ppg on 39% shooting (49% TS) during the postseason for his career with peaks of 16.9ppg/10.2 apg and 18.7 ppg/8.9 assists.

Zeke averaged 19.2 ppg on 45% shooting (51% TS) during the regular season (36 minutes per game) and 20.4 ppg on 44% shooting (52% TS) during the postseason for his career with peaks of 22.9 ppg/7.8 apg, 21.3 ppg/11.1 apg, 21.2 ppg/13.9 apg and 20.9 ppg/10.8 apg.

That's like saying Westbrook and Jrue are "inefficient offensively" - failing to take into account the difference in workload and production.

Kidd didn't make up the impact-difference on the defensive end (let alone surpass Zeke), especially since he played on a slow-paced team with a help-orientated scheme in NJ. His reputation long outlasted his defensive impact; not to mention he was never that great to begin with. Kidd isn't even on Zeke's level, I don't see how any reasonable person could argue this.

You're making my point, both are inefficient and Kidd understood this by not trying to score alot. ITs volume hurts his case for being better. I dont want someone inefficient going for 20 pts per game.

Kidd definitely made up the difference defensively. Look at his adjusted plus minus stats, his defensive value makes him a top player for multiple years.

 

[Won Won]

most of the great black players were shut out of the league during cousy's reign.

Can you elaborate?

The Stockton love is confusing to me. He was never a top five player in the NBA and simply wasn't a dominant force like Magic, Oscar and Curry. Not a better player than peak Penny either. Longevity is his greatest attribute

Longevity means nothing if you can't compete at a level high enough to put up good numbers

I think a lot of people downplay his shooting too. Career .515 FG%. Was still shooting 47% on 2-pointers beyond 10' his last three seasons (38-40 years old). Obviously he was pass-first and didn't put up a lot of shots, but he was always money around the basket, and his jumper was more than solid

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You're making my point, both are inefficient and Kidd understood this by not trying to score alot. ITs volume hurts his case for being better. I dont want someone inefficient going for 20 pts per game.

How does that make any sense?

Kidd averaged

12.6 ppg on 40% shooting (50% TS) during the regular season
12.9 ppg on 39% shooting (49% TS) during the postseason

Zeke averaged

19.2 ppg on 45% shooting (51% TS) during the regular season
20.4 ppg on 44% shooting (52% TS) during the postseason

Zeke averaged seven/eight more points more on better percentages - taking more shots with more defensive attention and a higher offensive workload.

2001/02 Nets - 17th ranked offfense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2002/03 Nets - 18th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2003/04 Nets - 25th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2004/05 Nets - 26th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2005/06 Nets - 25th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 37 minutes)
2006/07 Nets - 16th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)
2007/08 Nets - 25th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Kidd averaged 36 minutes)

1982/1983 Pistons - 11th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 38 minutes)
1983/1984 Pistons - 1st ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 36 minutes)
1984/1985 Pistons - 9th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 38 minutes)
1985/1986 Pistons - 7th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 36 minutes)
1986/1987 Pistons - 9th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 37 minutes)
1987/1988 Pistons - 6th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 36 minutes)
1988/1989 Pistons - 7th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 36 minutes)
1989/1990 Pistons - 11th ranked offense as the main ball handler (Zeke averaged 37 minutes)

How the hell did Zeke's inefficiency hurt the Pistons offense more than Kidd's, when Zeke led a top-10 offense during his prime seasons and Kidd headed average to the worst offenses in the league?

Kidd definitely made up the difference defensively. Look at his adjusted plus minus stats, his defensive value makes him a top player for multiple years.

That's not how you measure defensive worth.

 

[notPsychosiz]

What exactly are you implying here?

 

[notPsychosiz]

Karl: "Well, I'm not in it... but I'mma need John Stockton as my Point Guard."

 

[Big Boss]

John stockton is better than Isaiah?

 

[Trip]

Billups probably should have made it tbh

 

[Big Boss]

 

[Big Boss]

The Zeke disrespect is just unacceptable.


Hope y'all see through this bullshyt. They are so outta pocket.

Word ask jordan about the bad boy pistons

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I wish I could see Zeke's reaction/face when someone told him Curry was ahead of him

 

[AJtheOne]

Kidd should be top 5

Steph is that nikka, I don't have a problem with his ranking

 

[soulfuljah]

I wish the NFL thought like this; Sterling Sharpe would have been in the Hall of Fame 15 years ago.

 

[cornercommission2k12]

Isiah Thomas is top 3 all time I don't give a shyt what anyone says.

 

[Steezy]

Am I the only one taking Jason Kidd over steph ?

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Am I the only one taking Jason Kidd over steph ?

Let's just go with whoever made more career threes