So @#TeamBringIt....can you guys show me a match where Dwayne carried/outperformed somebody?

[R=G]

wow buddy. So your saying the sharpshooter and the super kick didn't get as much props as the people's elbow? now i know your talking crazy.

I don't care what got props. The People's Elbow was so emulated that it wasn't even close. It got bigger standing ovations than the Stunner, Legdrop, Razor's Edge. Any of that shyt. Put the Rock in the most anti-Rock situation and it will still get cheered. Every single time. Toronto..Texas..it doesn't matter.

 

[Nintendough]

NOBODY has tried to emulate the peoples elbow. It was never more over than the Stunner, the Leg drop, Razor Edge, Sweet Chin Music, Eddie's Frog Splash, Goldberg's spear and Jackknife, Lex's torture rack or Mr. Socko. While the crowd hype it created was equal to all of those moves but it was never superior.




So much delusion...

 

[Lucky Millionaire]

I don't care what got props. The People's Elbow was so emulated that it wasn't even close. It got bigger standing ovations than the Stunner, Legdrop, Razor's Edge. Any of that shyt. Put the Rock in the most anti-Rock situation and it will still get cheered. Every single time. Toronto..Texas..it doesn't matter.

The People's Elbow was so emulated a grand total of zero people in all of wrestling use it today.

The Sharpshooter was so emulated the Rock himself made it one of his signature moves.



EDIT: You'll throw anyone under the bus for the Rock. Even a man who mentored the Rock when he was starting out from the Kliq isn't safe.

 

[R=G]

0? Cena got a fake one...Kofi has a fake one...Sandow has a fake one..Cryme Tyme had a fake one...everybody BEEN trying to use that format to get a pop....hoping and begging that it would get over. Batista was using it on houseshows...get real.

Bret Hart does Sting's move so they don't even have the title right. Hart was a tag team jabroni while Sting was a WCW Champion using the Deathlok.

 

[CM_Burns]

A few things:

Rock vs Hogan is as much a carryjob
as just about anything, Hogan was so physically limited in that match but its a GOAT level match.

I see this so often I might need to make a thread about it, but Rock being on top in 2000 does not mean hes the biggest star ever or that him that year was the hottest anyones been. Austin's run from early 98-mid99 was against very credible WCW competition, a legitimate alternative until spring 99 with Goldberg, Woldpac, DDP, Hogan, etc when they were hot and pulling 4's and 5's. By the time 2000 came around, the only wrestling viewers not watching WWF were WCW diehards, by the time of around Mania 15 there stopped being a real choice for the average fan.

By 2000 wrestling as a whole was starting to get a little less hot, by the end of the year it was a very clear drop from 2 years before for the business.

John Cena jacked the people's elbow.

 

[R=G]

Actually the Rock being on top in 2000 meant he was the most successful star in history because it made the most money in several avenues and there was no Mike Tyson propping him up like it was for Austin in 1998. And the Rock in 2000 was getting ratings on all kind of other shyt..Saturday Night Live, TRL, got cheered like a god on that MTV Awards shyt, would appear on the Best Damn Sports Ever and the whole damn crowd would bow down and chant Rocky..shyt was absurd. There was no highs of Austin that ever reached that in the industry. You didn't get that for Hogan until he became a nostalgic act from 2002 and beyond after the NwO years put him back in good favor with fans.

2000 not being as hot as 98 or 99? Numbers say different. Ratings went a little bit down as a WHOLE from 1999 but the buyrates were through the roof and everyone who meant shyt was massively over in one form or another. Be it Rikishi or the Godfather..X-Pac got shytted on big time in 2000 and beyond but he was played out and he was going down in flames no matter what. He wasn't good enough to last or count. He was a one trick pony and fans got sick of his bullshyt. Lita was a REAL big deal...Jericho was very over...Foley played fans like idiots from No Way Out to Mania but he went back on his word so much over the years, he became a complete parody of kayfabe.

And even by 2001..crowd reactions were through the roof and the ratings were legit. It led to the most bought American WWF event of all time at WM 17. Everyone was waiting for that Rock vs Austin face vs face match....nothing in 1999 or 1998 was NOWHERE near as big as that except for when Tyson got shoved but WM 17 blew that number away. And Invasion did a good buyrate too but they fukked that up. Rock came back to nearly a 6.0 rating but they didn't go through with Rock vs Austin the rematch from WM 17 and that wasn't what people wanted either. That's when things got colder. Well...not for Rock and Austin. They're numbers were still through the roof but everyone else was suffering in the E. And when Austin walked and Rock was doing more Hollywood stuff, the writing was on the wall.

 

[CM_Burns]

Mid 98 to Mid 99 wrestling as a whole was pulling ridiculous ratings, bymid 2000 you had 2 or 3 million less people watching wrestling on mondays. WWE was THE show by then, and had built a good fanbase, but anyone around atthe time knows wrestling as the show everyone talked about wasnt really the case anymore.

Rock is the type of character who can do those sort of public appearances because of his character's nature and how charismatic/good looking he is (nh), he can still appeal to the trl viewet who doesnt watch wrestling. Rock would get a great response on Kimmel or 106 and park or whatever promoting Mania 30, the business still isnt hot compared to 98-99 whenhes around.

Austin was on top when business was the absolute hottest. Mania 17 had almost a million people buy it, but on a national relevance level I consider a combined 10-12 every monday for Raw/Nitro bigger.

 

[Lucky Millionaire]

And the Rock lifted a move from that tag team jabroni even though he already had two popular moves at the time. So how can one move be more over than a man's near 20-year career as if Bret was some jobber and not one of the biggest stars in WWF from 93-97?

 

[R=G]

Who gives a fukk. They all lift moves. From Ronnie Garvin to Flair to Cripple H to Austin..shyt, Kane uses the Undertaker's entire moveset. This shyt only matters because it's the Rock and he's bigger than the industry in 2013. So people want to cry and complain years after the fact like they're saying something new.

 

[Lucky Millionaire]

YOU give a fukk otherwise you wouldn't come in another thread with another rant crying about the Rock mad that someone has a different opinion from you. Stop deluding yourself.

 

[Riley Escobar]

it still gets me every time how much stanning one man can do

 

[R=G]

Mid 98 to Mid 99 wrestling as a whole was pulling ridiculous ratings, bymid 2000 you had 2 or 3 million less people watching wrestling on mondays. WWE was THE show by then, and had built a good fanbase, but anyone around atthe time knows wrestling as the show everyone talked about wasnt really the case anymore.

Ratings wise? Sure..more money being made? No way. No wrestling company made more money in history than the WWF in 2000. The Rock ruled pro wrestling at this point. Austin came back and was shaking his head on Unforgiven to make sure he didn't get any heat coming at him slick. That's how over that guy was and no one is ever gonna see anything like it again. Everyone was watching pro wrestling in 2000. Not sure where the mindset that it fell off...WCW fell off. ECW was a fad gimmick but that was it. But EVERYONE was doing Rock emulations on Mad TV..Saturday Night Live..all of that shyt. 1999 didn't have that kind of exposure except for the Smackdown video game blowing up and the Smackdown show catching fire.

Rock is the type of character who can do those sort of public appearances because of his character's nature and how charismatic/good looking he is (nh), he can still appeal to the trl viewet who doesnt watch wrestling. Rock would get a great response on Kimmel or 106 and park or whatever promoting Mania 30, the business still isnt hot compared to 98-99 whenhes around.

It shouldn't be hot compared to his prime. You can't make over someone's prime years. There is no getting back that kind of energy or business success because they are at odds with their old school fans and continue to mock their intelligence by acting like the majority are under 12 years old with the no selling and bullshyt that the pushed top guy of today still goes with by the week.

Austin was on top when business was the absolute hottest. Mania 17 had almost a million people buy it, but on a national relevance level I consider a combined 10-12 every monday for Raw/Nitro bigger.

Austin was on top when things turned around in 1998. 1999 did not do better than 2000 and the Rock drew more in 1999 than anyone in pro wrestling. Taking two shows that is competitve and trying to compare it one PPV doesn't really make sense. There was no wrestling event that had happened in the last 5 years from 2001 going back to Bash at the Beach 96 that was more successful than WM 17. Starrcade 97 was their chance and they fukked it up over politics and idiocy.

 

[R=G]

YOU give a fukk otherwise you wouldn't come in another thread with another rant crying about the Rock mad that someone has a different opinion from you. Stop deluding yourself.

I'm mad because I had to straighten you out again? Odd perception but you are a lesser poster so I guess those perceptions ring true in your head. There isn't a smidget of evidence or facts that can deny anything I've said. Nothing close. This shyt is a case that was dead 14 years ago. LOL. You kids are in here posting smilies with no points and whining to a superior.

 

[R=G]

Bret Hart was a star from 1992-1997 but he's remembered for being screwed over and he never was and never will be ANYWHERE near the Rock in star power or importance. The Rock in 1999 meant more than Bret Hart EVER did. If Bret was anything close to the star level of the Rock, he would of flipped WCW upside down and made them the show to watch. But no..he didn't. Him or his sharpshooter. LOL. He was left in the dust by a mic worker that revolutionized the industry.

 

[Riley Escobar]

Man in his 30's acting like a preteen girl