Camel handed this cac champagne and he destroyed it
Jay was probably like
You act like Jay was in the room. Jay probably still hasn't a clue any of this went down
So the Camel is still getting punked by white guys?
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You act like Jay was in the room. Jay probably still hasn't a clue any of this went down
So you think being bad mouthed in a interview for having adequate security will make him broke
Where did I say that? That quote was a reply to something that wasn't relevant to the OP topic.
It was relevant. Your post was completely irrelevant breh. The amount of hate you have for Jay is unhealthy. You need help breh
Roc-Nation is independent, leased to operate under Live Nation until 2016 by contract (the most expensive in music history for 1/3 of the profits) not equity.
It's owned by Jay-z and his man, which is why they could leave Sony for Universal in any given day.
There's a reason to why he's the only artist in the top 20 most powerful people in music according to Billboard last year, with 3-4 of his current/former employees being top 100 as well.
And I don't know which conglomerates you are talking about, you are just talking shyt.
I brought up examples and you responded with empty words. Tell me how someone owns him.
And your claims about "pandering" is extremely weak, unless you invent something, you need someone. And why the fukk is there a difference between black and white businessmen? Do you value white people higher?
Look up the word "independent", Harry. Free agent and independent aren't the same thing. One requires you to pander and put yourself up for auction. Auction to who? At the end of the day, Jay Z ain't making me money so whatever, At the end of the day, if you dumb enough to believe guys like Jay Z and Obama have any pull and don't answer to some white man at the top, good for you.
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Fukk your corny debates
He never dissed De Niro. Limbaugh and O'Reilly are right wing racist pundits so they are sitting duck targets for a rapper. He probably only went at them to rally young white people who watch MSNBC and the Daily Show behind him anyway.
I'll give you Scott Boras. Though he didn't go at him nearly as hard as he did Belafonte. De Niro cussed him out in front of his wife and he did nothing. Belafonte gave him stern words he needed to hear imploring him to do more with his resources for the common good, coming from the man who held down MLK's family while he was locked up. Camel called him a boy.
Tell me who he answers to? You've got a lot of theories but no facts at all.
Look up the word "independent", Harry. Free agent and independent aren't the same thing. One requires you to pander and put yourself up for auction. Auction to who? At the end of the day, Jay Z ain't making me money so whatever, At the end of the day, if you dumb enough to believe guys like Jay Z and Obama have any pull and don't answer to some white man at the top, good for you.
He owns Roc Nation and has partners like UMG (distribution for artists signed to Roc Nation), Live Nation (funding with a split in profits, expiring in 2016) and other companies like MMG (managing their artists). I also forgot that he's a major stakeholder in Translation probably the company that indirectly makes him most of his money after Roc Nation (his own tours, real estate investment and all the other shyt they do).
Jay-z has the pull to do whatever the fukk he wants, he chooses to distribute his music through UMG, cause it's financially the smartest idea (according to them I assume).
He chooses Live Nation to invest in his company for a limited partnership, instead of taking a loan from a bank. He chooses to sell his small share in Barclay Center to manage athletes, there is no conspiracy.
Why are you talking about Obama? For all I know Obama has to answer to a black man on top or a Chinese man.
I don't know who he answers to, but obviously he answers to a lot of people. Like the American people, the DNC, companies that invested in him and more.
He's not some dictator who strictly answers to God, no shyt.
There's a page 6 article about the "cussing infront of his wife", but yeah he dissed him on Breakfast club 105, he dissed O'Reilly and them cause they dissed him.
Edit, aight if Jays intention with the "boy" was to diss that was disrespectful. He calls himself boy and just about everyone else. "My boy ....", "It's your boy" etc.
In any event, I gave you 5 cacs he dissed and he's only almost dissed 1 black person.
You are not independent if you have to sign agreements with a larger company in order for your company to function. Thats called being a free agent. Independent = autonomy. Roc Nation isn't autonomous. He could back out of his deals with all of these people but then he would have to go to the next conglomerate in hopes of them bidding for his company. That's not choice, it's a necessity if he wants his company to function.
If that's the case, there are no independent labels. Every label is distributed by someone else, financed by some bank etc etc all the way up to a conglomerate. Even Oprah's "indie network" Harpo is 50% owned by Discovery.
It would literally cost billions in equity and risk to set up a distribution company, a major management, sports agency, label, real estate company and on. Which in turn are public companies, in order for them to receive the capital that few people on earth would want to bet on one company. Which is why NO ONE, does it. Most companies depend on other people, that's why they have full courses on counter party risk.
Which is my point, the field that Jay Z does business is one in which he can't possibly be independent and thus he chooses to pander to make the most money possible. No judgement but yall not gone sit here and tell me he isn't a figurehead for much more powerful figures. Other black men with power may have to get down on there knees as well but none of them glorify it like Hov. I don't see what yall are trying to argue.
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Songs for the deaf >>>>>> any jay album not named Blueprint or reasonable doubt.
But no one owns him, he signs deals with people. These people need to sign deals with people to, that's how the world works.
It's not like nikkas at Apple are sitting there saying "fukk everyone we don't need anyone" People need to buy their shyt for them to exist, stores need to sell it, people who own buildings have to lease space to them, lawyers have to defend and write their patents, bankers have to market make their underlying equity and on.
A poker player has to play against another poker play to make money. There has to be a basketball league in order for Lebron to make money and basketball players in order for the nba to make money. It's all common fukking sense.
Independence = the fact that he owns the fukking company and does what he wants with it.
The only time I might actually smh IRL while on the forum is when discussing something with cats and these cats talk as if they are still slaves. The slave mentality is crazy. nikkas will call their own people slaves until they own their own country and even then they would say, well he depends on Saudi oil and Chinese bond buying
Alright I will let you have independent by the definition. He still excessively panders to old white men to gain favor and possibly more scrap change from them.
