So we believing in astral projection now :martin:

[SunZoo]

Well for starters, I want you to confirm my understanding of the difference between lucid dreaming and astral projecting.

To my understanding, lucid dreaming is being conscious inside of your own imagination during sleep. You cannot actually interact with others because you are literally operating from inside your own mind. Astral projecting, on the other hand, I thought was you literally traversing this "universe" (for lack of better words) outside of your own body. Meaning, you can interact with others who are also projecting and when you wake up you could, in theory, discuss the events with participating parties when you awaken.


I believe lucid dreaming is very possible. I do NOT believe in this projecting cac sht but I'd love for you or anyone else that isn't a lame ass bytch id smack the fukk out of in real life to come in here and explain in depth what astral projecting is and how it's not just some a$$hole believing his lucid dreams actually took place outside of his own mind.

Okay, I'm going to try and pace myself because when it comes to topics such as these, so many dots connect to so many MORE relevant things than some of the subjects themselves, so I'll try to build with you in a structured manner the best I can.

Lucid dreaming is pretty much as you described, becoming conciously aware during your dream, the notion that you're confined to your own individual mind's imagination is not something I agree with in my experience but that's also dependant on other factors such as what bandwidth or level of mind you fell asleep in, there are levels and layer to reality that you can't grok by just waking up in a dream.

This is why there is some overlap between the two concepts, in a similar way that psycedellics overlap with meditation. Similar results and experiences, but the avid meditator actually understands the process, can more easily duplicate it and integrate said experiences into what is percieved as waking life.

Astral projection, or what I like to call Lucid Living is not waking up in or even inducing a dream and learning how to control it...it's learning how to die, conciously.

We can get into what all that entails, but I think that's a good place to start building with you on the topic.

 

[Luke Cage]

I'm concerned some of yall have legit medical conditions but are confusing them with Prof X powers.

 

[BBG]

Okay, I'm going to try and pace myself because when it comes to topics such as these, so many dots connect to so many MORE relevant things than some of the subjects themselves, so I'll try to build with you in a structured manner the best I can.

Lucid dreaming is pretty much as you described, becoming conciously aware during your dream, the notion that you're confined to your own individual mind's imagination is not something I agree with in my experience but that's also dependant on other factors such as what bandwidth or level of mind you fell asleep in, there are levels and layer to reality that you can't grok by just waking up in a dream.

This is why there is some overlap between the two concepts, in a similar way that psycedellics overlap with meditation. Similar results and experiences, but the avid meditator actually understands the process, can more easily duplicate it and integrate said experiences into what is percieved as waking life.

Astral projection, or what I like to call Lucid Living is not waking up in or even inducing a dream and learning how to control it...it's learning how to die, conciously.

We can get into what all that entails, but I think that's a good place to start building with you on the topic.

I'm listening

I'm concerned some of yall have legit medical conditions but are confusing them with Prof X powers.

I'm with you, sht sounds batty af, but so far this story's pretty interesting if nothing else.

 

[O.T.I.S.]

I laugh at sky daddy jokes but I really do believe in a divine creator.


Astral projection, on the other hand, feels like believing in the flying spaghetti monster to me. Both COULD in theory really be true, but like come the fukk on. I can explain to you exactly why I believe in a divine creator, can anybody explain to me exactly why they believe in astral projection?

There is a divine creator though

As far as Astral Projection… yes it’s scientifically investigated, not that I believe everybody who says that they do it.

 

[SunZoo]

That's also called sleep paralysis.

I spent a year and a half learning how to have what people call sleep paralyis on purpose. That shyt is accidental and scary as fukk until you actually make it happen yourself, on your own terms.

Deep trance training (shout out to Wendi Friesen) can indeed allow you to progressively put your body at rest while being wide awake, mentally.

Where it gets scary, resistant and 'heavy' for those experiencing this on accident is that they identify as body and any sense of seperation feels like death at least initially. This is why, beyond religious dogma some people are just shook of the shyt, out of 'self' preservation.

 

[mag357]

Astral Projection: Just a Mind Trip

Astral projection is the supposed act of leaving your body while sleeping — but is it real?

www.livescience.com

Why hasn't astral projection been proven scientifically? Some claim it's because mainstream scientists are closed-minded and refuse to even look at evidence that doesn't fit their narrow worldview. However, in science those who disprove dominant theories are rewarded, not punished. Proving the existence of psychic powers, astral projection or alternative dimensions would earn the dissenting scientists a place in the history books, if not a Nobel Prize.

That part about being rewarded is Not true.
That's a flat out lie bruh lol

 

[Dafunkdoc_Unlimited]

That part about being rewarded is Not true.
That's a flat out lie bruh lol

No, it isn't......

Scientists Win Physics Nobel Prize For Proving Einstein Wrong

The 2022 Nobel prize for physics has been awarded to a trio of scientists for pioneering experiments in quantum mechanics, the theory covering the micro-world of atoms and particles.

www.sciencealert.com

Discovery of Accelerating Universe Wins 2011 Nobel Prize in Physics

Dark energy wins out in the end: Three U.S. scientists have been honored for their observations that type Ia supernovae indicate that the expansion of the universe is accelerating

www.scientificamerican.com

.......this disproved other theories such as the 'Steady-State' Universe.
​

 

[GrindtooFilthy]

It's for sure a real phenomenon but the terminology used for it makes it wrong. This is why nomenclature is important. Astral projection implies they are projecting themselves into some sort of other dimensional plane when in reality they are just playing make believe in their own mind.
We live in a world of illusions. What your mind sees and reality are too different things.
If they called it high level lucid dreaming instead I'd agree it is real there is science to back this up. But calling it astral projection? Nah

I actually believe in astral projection but not for that reason. I’ve had a few near death experiences, an OBE is something the human can’t comprehend until you experience it first hand

 

[BBG]

I spent a year and a half learning how to have what people call sleep paralyis on purpose. That shyt is accidental (and scary as fukk) until you actually make it happen yourself, on your own terms.

Deep trance training (shout out to Wendi Friesen) can indeed allow you to progressively put your body at rest while being wide awake, mentally.

Where it gets scary, resistant and 'heavy' for those experiencing this on accident is that they identify as body and any sense of seperation feels like death at least initially. This is why, beyond religious dogma some people are just shook of the shyt, out of 'self' preservation.

When is the next chapter coming breh? I remember trying to lucid dream before for like a week straight but it didn't work for me so I said fukk it. I don't think it's really fair to count out astral projection until I can lucid dream at will.

Like, what you're describing is cool in theory but I still have a hard time believing we are able to separate soul from body before death. And if all it took was to study and practice to do it Im pretty sure there would be a whole helluva lot more people goin soul surfing n sht

 

[he_is_I]

Like someone said, if you haven't experienced it and know it for yourself it is very hard to believe. If yinz read the astral pro experiences thread on reddit you would think those people are out of their minds.

 

[SunZoo]

I'm listening

In our initial exchange you seemed to say you could wrap your mind around the basic idea of a lucid dream but not "traversing this universe", I'll see if I can kind of close that gap for you or at least get your wheels turning.

So when I said that certain limitations of lucid dreaming, like not really interacting with others or kind of being confined to a mental space was dependant on what bandwidth you were operating from. In the same way people speak of the 'astral plane', there is a mental plane or layer of personal reality that you can and often do explore that is simply the contents of your own mind.

This is where a lot of lucid dreamers play because you don't have to be in a super deep sleep to get there. Moreso in the high alpha/low theta brain wave range where things like dream recall and even coming lucid are easier.

You aren't in REM sleep yet, still very much identified with the personality and all that pertains to it so that's what you're limited to. Beyond that layer of 'mind stuff' is the astral plane, or what I like to call he template reality. Not hypnogogia, not never never land, but a much less dramatic version of this scene and how they explained the mirror dimension

 

[SunZoo]

When is the next chapter coming breh? I remember trying to lucid dream before for like a week straight but it didn't work for me so I said fukk it. I don't think it's really fair to count out astral projection until I can lucid dream at will.

Like, what you're describing is cool in theory but I still have a hard time believing we are able to separate soul from body before death. And if all it took was to study and practice to do it Im pretty sure there would be a whole helluva lot more people goin soul surfing n sht

Well I'd like to help you however I can to get you the experience you wish, so I will do just that.

When I get some more time I'll get into my experience with a really good lucid dreaming program that might help you. Will also explain further why I disagree with some of the limitations from the more scientific crowd about what you can and can't do with lucid dreaming. shyt like communal dreaming where you are most definetly not just playing around in your own head.

I'll point up a lot of tools and resources that changed my life as we go along for the spectators.

 

[BaldingSoHard]

I did it once for about 8 seconds.

 

[MischievousMonkey]

My thing is, just like for Dr Sebi...

... Just prove it

Guess shyt that would be impossible to guess on tape. Run some experiments with scientists Just prove it like anything else is proven today.

 

[SunZoo]

My thing is, just like for Dr Sebi...

... Just prove it

Guess shyt that would be impossible to guess on tape. Run some experiments with scientists Just prove it like anything else is proven today.

I dig what you're saying, I was the same way. Thing is there is only so much you can do with shyt like EEG and other machines and that's not taking into acount personal and professional biases.

There is some shyt you are just going to have to experience and prove to yourself.