So we can end all the Biggie and Jay never used pen and paper talk :

[NormanConnors]

Punching in every few bars can be fun, you get a chance to remove a weak line if you don't like the take or maybe tighten up the delivery on a bar. If you just happen to be ON that day you can knock out a track in like 15 minutes

Writing without paper can be some bullshyt though/should be reserved for only a select few. To me there can be a drop off in lyrical quality and delivery sharpness. My brother when he was rappin' was the goat at both.

 

[Braman]

Slaves couldn't read or write and created entire songs with hidden meanings based on geography with no maps. But Jay can't create verses in his head?

The human brain is greater than you can imagine. This is not some genius ability, anyone can be taught to do it. We didn't always have pen and paper

That’s the part that has me smh Buddy think writing a verse in your head is the pinnacle of human evolution. It is some high level smart-dumb ‘my entire world is rap’ shyt

Also ‘we didn’t always have pen and paper’ is hilariously true considering Jay wrote a song about just that

So I had to memorize these rhymes until I got home, you understand?
So, you know, Once you memorize a sentence, it's like an exercise

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

You're overcomplicating all of this that's part of the problem

Jay is like any other rapper that cares about and enjoys his craft. I think someone like him has rhymes and concepts going through his head all day. And because of him practicing the techniques for years and years, he has a sturdier file cabinet than most people.

What rapper creates every single thing from scratch on the spot? It's more like a nikka lives, has ideas, writes, and revisits. Jay is like any rapper with a notebook, the notebook is just in his head

So when Jay says he did The Blueprint in a weekend that doesn't mean he sat there and made up verses from scratch in the weekend, it means he's been living and playing with ideas and now he has to get the shyt off his chest. So Jay hears a few beats, goes through his mental file cabinet, "Oh I got something for this one" and a theme comes together. It's no different than any other album ever made

So it's both. There are times when he recalls bars/verses from his file cabinet, and there are times when he hears something and "writes" on the spot

I ask if you've ever tried any of this or memory techniques yourself because I have, and when you do it enough you'll be surprised at how much shyt sticks after enough practice. There have been times where I had to make myself stop remembering so much

When I taught myself Spanish I was using mnemonics to learn 30 new words a day, and the words stuck

When you look at an operating system like Windows understand that it's based on the human brain

so you're agreeing with me and trying to disagree with me at the same time for the sake of an argument to say "I'm right"? That's the same goddamn shyt I said that you typed in big letters

 

[O.Red]

so you're agreeing with me and trying to disagree with me at the same time for the sake of an argument to say "I'm right"? That's the same goddamn shyt I said that you typed in big letters

No

I've never deviated from the fact that anyone is capable of writing a song in their heads, even with the benchmark you set. The problem with your benchmark is it's not reflective of how most people make music, hand written or otherwise

The reason you even set such an extreme benchmark is because it's impossible in your mind that someone could do what you're saying Jay can't, and you're still wrong

And you still haven't answered if you've even tried any of the memory techniques or methods mentioned in this thread

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

No

I've never deviated from the fact that anyone is capable of writing a song in their heads, even with the benchmark you set. The problem with your benchmark is it's not reflective of how most people make music, hand written or otherwise

The reason you even set such an extreme benchmark is because it's impossible in your mind that someone could do what you're saying Jay can't, and you're still wrong

Wrong!! I never said you couldn't write a song in your head, I said they weren't writing complete songs in 1 or 2 hours and recording in one take. You can check my original post. It's unedited. If you couldn't understand that, then it's on you. Peep one of the posts right here below...

that's believable. memorize 4 bars here, put it down, and repeat. Someone sitting for an hour and writing an entire 48 bar, 3 verse song in their head and spitting it one take is certified bullshyt that only a goddamn fool would believe.

the only deviation is YOU saying, "well, yes, they can grab something they memorized here and there and put it together". That's what I've been saying.

 

[O.Red]

Wrong!! I never said you couldn't write a song in your head, I said they weren't writing complete songs in 1 or 2 hours and recording in one take. You can check my original post. It's unedited. If you couldn't understand that, then it's on you. Peep one of the posts right here below...

the only deviation is YOU saying, "well, yes, they can grab something they memorized here and there and put it together". That's what I've been saying.

And I've said they do both, and both are very possible. I'll even call your hour and raise that a nikka could do it in less than an hour. Again there are greater examples of memory feats everyday. It's not a "genius" ability (your words)

Why invoke such a benchmark unless you believed it was an unattainable skill? Otherwise what is this discussion even about?

 

[BlackDiBiase]

For instance he wrote PSA while doing a press junket. He would write bars in his head. Take a break from press. Drop those bars. Continue the junket. Write more in his head. Leave junket again. Lay down more bars.

Just Blaze is the worst producer you could reference Just Blaze goofy on purpose.

A Jigga fanboy he still believes Jay Z has Former President Barack Obama's number on his phone. That's the receptionist at the campaign donations number.

A lot of Producers are none the wiser. Dude puts on airs like no other artist before. He boast untrue claims like he signed Yeezy like Frank Sinatra signed Jimmy.

That was Dame but the new audience and platform want to believe in Jay's Super Tales.

 

[Deltron]

Just Blaze is the worst producer you could reference Just Blaze goofy on purpose.

A Jigga fanboy he still believes Jay Z has Former President Barack Obama's number on his phone. That's the receptionist at the campaign donations number.

A lot of Producers are none the wiser. Dude puts on airs like no other artist before. He boast untrue claims like he signed Yeezy like Frank Sinatra signed Jimmy.

That was Dame but the new audience and platform want to believe in Jay's Super Tales.

what about cam?

Cam said hov did his Welcome to NY verse in one take after hearing the beat and mumbling to himself for a bit

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Jay hasn’t written down a verse since the second verse in can I live

 

[BlackDiBiase]

what about cam?

Cam said hov did his Welcome to NY verse in one take after hearing the beat and mumbling to himself for a bit

Cam is only speaking what he witnessed I guess.

There is no proof Jay was constructing rhymes unless Cam has X-Ray vision. Jay will get one rhyme he already has and see if it slides on the beat or onto a next rhyme he already has.

Premo too, a lot of Producers after the Biggie revelation will say they never saw Jay use pen and paper but Dehaven when not hating said 'They all knew Jay was the best, he had notes with rhymes all over the place even at Dehavens moms house'.

 

[BlackDiBiase]

Whats that there with Jay? What could it be for?

Jay is on the low one of my favorite hiphop legends but he is a known fabricator.

Sure he can do it, but he is not coming up with even 90% of his catalogue not throwing his best darts and flows. That's a pen and paper technique I hear some of these posters in here said they do it in bits and pieces that makes sense. I can respect it but those very same posters will tell you your best gems are coming from pen and paper rhymes.

'I put my lifetime in between the paper lines' ...

 

[Street Knowledge]

Yeah all these people who have been in the studio with him for 30 years have all been lying.

You know the REAL truth.

 

[threattonature]

That’s the part that has me smh Buddy think writing a verse in your head is the pinnacle of human evolution. It is some high level smart-dumb ‘my entire world is rap’ shyt

Also ‘we didn’t always have pen and paper’ is hilariously true considering Jay wrote a song about just that

So I had to memorize these rhymes until I got home, you understand?
So, you know, Once you memorize a sentence, it's like an exercise

Back in college when I used to write I had one class a mile and a half from my dorm. I'd throw the headphones on and come up with a verse or two. I'd get home or in class and write them down before I'd forget it. To me that'd be no difference than sitting in a studio and instead of writing it down just going in the booth and spitting it.

Add in some nikkas write fast as hell in the studio. I remember the Slaughterhouse vids on JoeBuddenTV where they writing these long ass fire verses in no time and clowning I think Joell for being slow as hell writing his. So not sure why it'd be so wild that he could do a full song in his head that quick.

 

[FunkDoc1112]

Whats that there with Jay? What could it be for?

Jay is on the low one of my favorite hiphop legends but he is a known fabricator.

Sure he can do it, but he is not coming up with even 90% of his catalogue not throwing his best darts and flows. That's a pen and paper technique I hear some of these posters in here said they do it in bits and pieces that makes sense. I can respect it but those very same posters will tell you your best gems are coming from pen and paper rhymes.

'I put my lifetime in between the paper lines' ...

There's not a single thing youve said about Jay that hasn't been pure nonsense

 

[LiveFromLondon]

Ive watched battle rap long enough to know its possible & BIG got it from Jigga
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