So What Was The Whole Point of Jason Collins Making "History"?

[OG_StankBrefs]

Disappointing....You're certainly reading this event of Collins coming out, through a homophobic lens. You're teasing out what you want from this story, and sharing the same social space as a white nationalist crying about the liberal, pro black, "jew agenda". I have much respect for your intellect, which is why it pains me to see you stand side-by-side, rhetorically, with the likes of low class bigots of the world like Robertson from Duck Dynasty.

 

[Mr.Black]

to get some more attention on the faq agenda going on

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

*insert anti-gay statement here*

 

[OG Talk]

You dont have to liter your posts with crude slurs, in order to communicate an anti gay agenda; much in the same way that racists code their anti black subtexts with subliminal rhetoric that makes their intent loud and clear.

Peddling this "agenda" talk is a dog whistle...as if to imagine that there is some sort of elite homo mafia that is trying to indoctrinate us all, with the goal every man has a dyck in his hand, rather than people simply wanting the same rights as other americans. This "agenda" you speak of, consists of a positive human rights story, and the idea that discrimination against a group is wrong. Collins, in coming out, has exposed himself to an anti-gay element that is quite vitriolic, and for that he has received props and support. Im not clear why you would paint that as a negative, unless you have your own agenda here.

If I wanted to be 100 about my so called hate or fear for that lifestyle, the-coli would be a rest haven for me..You think I have mince words or use dog whistles around these n1ggas?




Positive human rights story? How? What rights was Collins being denied that changed after his announcment? What's positive about him lying to and betraying his fiance? You think she has that same warm and fuzzy feeling that you do?

You and your mentality are just reinforcing my point...History was not made...It was much ado about absolutely nothing..What was the point?

My criticism isn't against his sexual orientation...It's about the dishonesty of the media in creating this story and allowing it to snowball to the point where it just rolled down a hill and melted...

Maybe one day there will be a" brave" man that comes public with his orientation and risks his career and popularity because of his conviction.. It just wasn't this n1gga...

 

[mrken12]

*insert anti-gay statement here*

 

[OG Talk]

*insert anti-gay statement here*

So you can use it as a crutch or red herring?

Naw I'm not letting you off that easy...

Why don't you discuss how exactly this man made history...

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

So you can use it as a crutch or red herring?

Naw I'm not letting you off that easy...

Why don't you discuss how exactly this man made history...

I don't care about whether he "made history" nobody is gonna remember him 20 years from now

WOW, the media sensationalized a story, who woulda thought that could happen!

 

[Trip]

The media parading around Jason Collins as a hero actually hurts gay athletes. Organizations dont want to be associated with the circus and scrutiny that would ultimately come with it.

An NBA team signs Jason Collins and then waives him....guess what, lawsuit. Jonathan Martin(another Stanford alum coincidentally) pulled the same thing with the Dolphins. Teams don't want to deal with that shyt.

 

[OG Talk]

WOW, the media sensationalized a story!

Which is the whole point of the thread.. THE MEDIA..

If you can't either critique or defend them what are you trying to do here?

 

[Sensitive Blake Griffin]

Which is the whole point of the thread.. THE MEDIA..

If you can't either critique or defend them what are you trying to do here?

That's what the media does, they take stories and try to make them big so that they can get more viewers and more money. That isn't a reflection on Jason Collins. It's not his fault the media reacted in this way.

 

[mrken12]

I still don't understand how someone is a hero for revealing a personal aspect of his life. People throw around words like "hero" and "courage" way too often. Maybe if someone "came out" during the 1980s it might mean something but nowadays people are coming out every other week so what's so "brave" about it?

 

[OG Talk]

That's what the media does, they take stories and try to make them big so that they can get more viewers and more money. That isn't a reflection on Jason Collins. It's not his fault the media reacted in this way.

I agree and disagree....It's not his fault that they od'ed and made him a poster child...But somewhere between presenting MTV Awards (that really happened), throwing out the 1st pitch at Red Sox games, and meeting the president of the United States, Collins had to realize the ridiculousness of what was happening.. He's too smart of a guy no too..

And my question was.. Now that he's NOT what he was promoted as (first gay active American athlete) Will they go through all of this again when it REALLY happens?

 

[No_bammer_weed]

If I wanted to be 100 about my so called hate or fear for that lifestyle, the-coli would be a rest haven for me..You think I have mince words or use dog whistles around these n1ggas?




Positive human rights story? How? What rights was Collins being denied that changed after his announcment? What's positive about him lying to and betraying his fiance? You think she has that same warm and fuzzy feeling that you do?

You and your mentality are just reinforcing my point...History was not made...It was much ado about absolutely nothing..What was the point?

My criticism isn't against his sexual orientation...It's about the dishonesty of the media in creating this story and allowing it to snowball to the point where it just rolled down a hill and melted...

Maybe one day their will be a" brave" man that comes public with his orientation and risks his career and popularity because of his conviction.. It just wasn't this n1gga...

Im not interested in psychoanalyzing a person whom I have never personally met. Im only reading the inference of your words and bent, and not what drives and motivates you internally. Your insistence on this "agenda" talk is loaded phraseology, and, once again, consults the same bigoted playbook that drives the same rhetoric directed towards black folks.

If you wanted to frame this conversation specifically with respect to appealing to the feelings of Collins fiancee, you could have done so. You could have aimed your sympathies directly towards her, and challenged Collins on that. The fact that Collins isnt perfectly upright morally, doesnt distract from the perversive discrimination that gays face in this country, and the historic nature of his coming out. You are free to focus in Collins personal failings in order to pursue your narrative, in much the same way that those on the right pursued the fact that Trayvon Martin smoked weed a few times in his life, in order to latently support bias against his person, and blacks.

 

[OG Talk]

Im not interested in psychoanalyzing a person whom I have never personally met. .

Except thats exactly what you're attempting to do with me in this thread...



So you're not gonna answer how this was a triumph for human rights?

Fair enough...

You wanna address how the label of history being made is as factually inaccurate now as it was when it was first reported?

 

[No_bammer_weed]

Except thats exactly what you're attempting to do with me in this thread...



So you're not gonna answer how this was a triumph for human rights?

Fair enough...

You wanna address how the label of history being made is as factually inaccurate now as it was when it was first reported?

Im analyzing the meaning of your words....and how is his coming out not historic? How many other athletes from a major american sporting league have come out while still active? Sure, you can quibble about how "active" he was when he came out, but the fact remains that he was technically active. Im unclear exactly what the relevancy is there anyway.

And you're reaching about how celebrated his coming out was. It was a story that ran through the cycle --- nothing more than that. You act as if they are creating holidays for the man.