So who else enjoyed that wrestling classic between Orton and Lesnar?

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Almost everyone was wrestling to crickets at one point. That crowd was garbage. My theory is that they were burned out from the 6 pm start time.

I guess it's good for business to have these long ass events but when it stretches over 5 hours, I understand folks being burned out. You can only keep it hype for so long lol.

I can't see how anybody thought 5-6 hours of the current product is going to keep somebody hype the whole show. I started the show about 15 minutes late and was doing stuff through the show and still fell asleep during the Rusev segment. I can't blame the live crowd for getting restless.
 

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Im also very interested to hear the story behind this. I wouldn't be surprised if tko finish was planned but the blood and Orton legit looking :dead: and out of it I don't think so.

Me too man. Me too.


I don't know what was planned and what wasn't. I don't evem know if Orton was supposed to get busted open.

We need answers Sway!

I will say this though...the match was weird and boring, but the way Lesnar walked off and looked back at the ring was menancing AF.
 

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So,what happened here. They legit called an audible? I assumed the finish would be Lesnar hitting that ground and pound mma elbows and Goldberg makes the save.

Crowd wasn't garbage, it was 6 freakin hours of wrasslin plus Takeover the nite b4. Plus the pre ppv meet and greets all over Bklyn. Best part was all the local bars had SummerSlam pre games. Prices were piff. Combine that with the bar in Barclays, most of the crowd was smashed.
 
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:mjlol: @ this thread why do you nikkas even watch at this point.

Brock the next beardgang victim :beli: Like he gives a fukk about you nikkas booing or whatever struggle chants will come of this. :dead:

A main event 15 years in the making and it sucked. I don't know why you watch (nor do I care) but I watch to be entertained and to see good wrestling. That main event provided neither. But I guess it's all good since Brock is getting a check but you're not going to see any of that money so you have no reason to :cape:.
 

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A fitting ending to a show that dropped the ball.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Rollins/Balor should have been the main event. Especially when you consider the fact that this was for the flagship show's brand new world championship and Balor, the face, had his big win.

This match should have never happened in the first place. Nobody was begging for this to happen or wanted it. I don't know why Lesnar has gotten so lazy in the past year or so, but it's not fun to watch him squash guys anymore. It only worked once with Cena but then it became the template for every single Lesnar match. Orton was made to look like a joke out there. We couldn't even get the F-5 to RKO counter. :why:

That match was just laughable. I wasn't expecting a MOTN candidate, but come on now. The Undertaker put on two good matches with Lesnar last year. This one was 15 years in the making (apparently) and that's all you have to offer? :leostare:

Putting on Rollins/Balor last would have drawn equal winds of a shytstorm because people would be complaining about how it's devaluing the Smackdown title.

And I don't agree with that, Brock/Randy is a money match no matter which way you look at it. People clearly wanted to see it, and it was only a "bad match" because it only went 10 mins. It's not like the match was horrible from bell to bell
 

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So,what happened here. They legit called an audible? I assumed the finish would be Lesnar hitting that ground and pound mma elbows and Goldberg makes the save.

Crowd wasn't garbage, it was 6 freakin hours of wrasslin plus Takeover the nite b4. Plus the pre ppv meet and greets all over Bklyn. Best part was all the local bars had SummerSlam pre games. Prices were piff. Combine that with the bar in Barclays, most of the crowd was smashed.

I think the match was supposed to end that way with Brock cutting Randy and them stopping it short. The thing that threw it off was Brock going OD with the elbows and almost killing Randy so it seemed like a shoot ending with an audible
 

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Meltzer saying the blood spot was planned but they didnt expect that much blood. Hardway and TKO and abrupt finished was planned :snoop:

"Bu bu bu bu but Brock Lesna Da Untouchable went into shoot mode after Orton sandbagged him."

Smh. Lesnar went easy on Orton with the suplexes because of the shoulder. Do you really want a guy with a bad shoulder to be tossed around like that? The Orton DDT spot always looks like that and Brock is also good at selling (surprisingly). He's taken some tough hits in the ring so that DDT was not going to "set him off." He's done that Elbow spot in a couple of matches, this time it was botched and created a bigger wound. That's it. Lesnar is lazy but he's a professional. If that makes sense. He's not out there trying to intentionally hurt his opponents. But if all they are going to do do with him are mount spouts and German spams he needs to :camby:
 

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"Bu bu bu bu but Brock Lesna Da Untouchable went into shoot mode after Orton sandbagged him."

Smh. Lesnar went easy on Orton with the suplexes because of the shoulder. Do you really want a guy with a bad shoulder to be tossed around like that? The Orton DDT spot always looks like that and Brock is also good at selling (surprisingly). He's taken some tough hits in the ring so that DDT was not going to "set him off." He's done that Elbow spot in a couple of matches, this time it was botched and created a bigger wound. That's it. Lesnar is lazy but he's a professional. If that makes sense. He's not out there trying to intentionally hurt his opponents. But if all they are going to do do with him are mount spouts and German spams he needs to :camby:


He tossed him around as well though
 

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Putting on Rollins/Balor last would have drawn equal winds of a shytstorm because people would be complaining about how it's devaluing the Smackdown title.

And I don't agree with that, Brock/Randy is a money match no matter which way you look at it. People clearly wanted to see it, and it was only a "bad match" because it only went 10 mins. It's not like the match was horrible from bell to bell

There have been plenty of money matches over the years that didn't go on last. A lot of people wanted to see The Undertaker vs. Shawn Michaels in 2009 and it was the first marquee match of the night.

I understand that Lesnar/Orton is a big match but even if a lot of people wanted to see it, that doesn't justify closing the show with it, especially if it was just going to be the same standard Lesnar match again and they PLANNED to end the show with Orton getting knocked out. It's not like last year with The Undertaker because that match was set in place more than a year before, and it was actually a back and forth match with suspense. They chose to do this match with Orton just because it hasn't happened yet, and as you saw, they were content with ending the match like that. That's not a proper way to build a story. People were shytting on this match before it even happened.

Balor winning his first world championship is an afterthought now compared to the bullshyt ending. The way I see it, they made the wrong call here.
 

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Braun is being built to beat Brock. It's clear as day...


Braun has no pedigree or workrate to ever be seen as any inring comp to Brock lesbar.

The only worker who looks believeable via workrate who is oversized on the WWE roster is: Luke Harper

Which is why the WWE is silly to not put an emphasis on actual workrate and chain mat sequences in this era.

As it evens the playing field, in the promotion and creates the intrigue of the matches.

Art Barr
 

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The only worker who looks believeable via workrate who is oversized on the WWE roster is: Luke Harper


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Charisma- deficiency aside, both Roman and Cesaro look believable via workrate as credible opponents to Brock....they just both lack the connection to the crowd but they both look the part
 

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Charisma- deficiency aside, both Roman and Cesaro look believable via workrate as credible opponents to Brock....they just both lack the connection to the crowd but they both look the part


Roman has no pedigree or workrate to be viewed as the guy to beat lesnar.
Caesaro would be a good choice to beat lesnar but since the WWE does not build via actual workrate or mat based psychology.
Establishing the psychology that caesaro would win the WWE is not vested in to work.

The only time wwe made any strides to establish workrate in the past twenty years was jettisoned.
when hbk and hhh were carried by Benoit and were made to look like amateurs' verse Kurt angle.
Which is why workrate was not re-established but should have been when Daniel Bryan assailed up the card.
Instead we have a disjointed product and company built far and away from the main concept and scope of what the business should entail. Which is only there as a factor because the product leaves itself open.
so the son-in-law can justify his part time dominate the entire promotion on the card slot.

When, the company would be more compelling to show workrate and create vignettes.
that build up hhh's attention to workrate if he came back
In the same manner they show hhh at cross fit gyms.
to ensure us levesque does not blow another quad and become diesel/kevin Nash everytime he comes down the ramp.
Yet, since this company is inept.
We get a product lacking this because they also don't want to show their hand because then the question would be asked.
As to why other stars were not built up in this manner.
Which defeats the while idea of the brassring rant and makes them look to grasp more straws.
than the usual bundle of straws they pull from aimlessly. Which descends into the promotion having no direction or scope when hhh is not on the roster.



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