So who made god?

[tmonster]

I know personal choice leads people to do and say things even when there is ample evidence otherwise. I looked in my Bible and I know the Temple will be announced within a year, I know there will be more rivers, lakes and streams that will turn blood red because we are soon to enter into the last days. I know we will have more earthquakes and I know we will have more Billions of dead sea life because The Bible says so.

 

[tmonster]

Obviously not your teapot.... still waiting for more evidence about that teapot tho....

you first for your god
I'll wait

 

[tmonster]

Are you aware that God is a triune being? God the Father, Jesus the Son, and The Holy Spirit? Jesus is known as the Word of God. Do you not know this or you don't care? Jesus existed. We have more historical documentation regarding Him than for ANYONE else that existed in ancient times. Do you toss out the truth because you choose to or are you still going with your teapot that has not done anything since the creation of the universe and only exists in this thread?

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

Are you aware that God is a triune being? God the Father, Jesus the Son, and The Holy Spirit? Jesus is known as the Word of God. Do you not know this or you don't care? Jesus existed.

but jesus wasnt his real name.. his complexion wasnt that pale.. and the pope prays before a different looking jesus and mary than the majority of the world... how can you be so sure it is as its written? we already have more proof for moses being akhenaten than otherwise.. and the bible is hardly the first stories of floods, giants, towers to the heavens.. why is the later telling so much more reliable? tbh i think christianity let itself down when it denounced lollardy as heresy..

So what has your teapot done besides being conjured up for this discussion?

this leaves you open to some devestating counter arguments my friend

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Logic created God. Nothing cant exist, there was an immediate explosion of the nothingness which is equivalent to everythingness. Due to that paradox there was separation of the two in a timeless void im which there was expansion in all directions of the "space" which is probably the first logical creation, which would allow for there to be a singularity to be divided. God, if created, was done so after explosion as a logical extension to support the formulation of the something into a manner that is not completely self destructing, or was somehow an aspect of the everything/nothing in the singularity that was simultaneous with the big bang as a pure consciousness to balance the pure matter/anti matter/dark matter etc. Just a hypothesis

 

[tmonster]

this leaves you open to some devestating counter arguments my friend

NUCLEAR LEVEL DEVASTATION......I could not even bother

 

[ill]

I know personal choice leads people to do and say things even when there is ample evidence otherwise. I looked in my Bible and I know the Temple will be announced within a year, I know there will be more rivers, lakes and streams that will turn blood red because we are soon to enter into the last days. I know we will have more earthquakes and I know we will have more Billions of dead sea life because The Bible says so.

What do you know about the future?

Again, human nature can 'predict' all of that. Theres been wars before and after the Bible was written. Blood in the rivers means people are being killed. Not some magical God touching the water to turn it red. Theres a logical explanation for everything in the Bible. You shouldn't take it as gospel and the word of God. Its a book written by man and over time has been b*stardized and grossly exaggerated. All of the things you listed can be predicted by science and be provable without having to believe in it.

 

[Thsnnor]

but jesus wasnt his real name.. his complexion wasnt that pale.. and the pope prays before a different looking jesus and mary than the majority of the world... how can you be so sure it is as its written? we already have more proof for moses being akhenaten than otherwise.. and the bible is hardly the first stories of floods, giants, towers to the heavens.. why is the later telling so much more reliable? tbh i think christianity let itself down when it denounced lollardy as heresy..
this leaves you open to some devestating counter arguments my friend

In Greek his name began with a "L" as there was no "J" back then. I know Jesus wasn't a white guy. In the Bible it talks about his hair like wool and skin as brushed copper. It even says there wasn't anything remarkable looking about him.

Roman Catholicism is different from Christianity as I do not believe the pope is my representative to God. Christianity existed over 300 years before Rome made it the official religion.

To this day nothing archeological has been found that disproves anything in the Bible. Even one of the oldest cities in the world Jericho has proof of the wall that came down.

We have found the remains of Noah's Ark and we have found the poop of many different animals that would normally not even been in the same area with each other.

Many of the stories were written during the 3rd and 4th century. History has found pictures/ancient artwork showing pictures of the guy who was supposed to be born from the side of a mountain. That dates back to around 3000 B.C. but the stories are 3-4th century.

The counter arguments do not negate history. Evolution has been taught for less than 100 years. Biblical creation over 4000 years. Even still the only reason evolution is taught was due to a lawsuit.

History already happened. The facts remain. The book of Job talked about the Earth being a sphere and floating on nothing but people will believe what they want to.

 

[Thsnnor]

Again, human nature can 'predict' all of that. Theres been wars before and after the Bible was written. Blood in the rivers means people are being killed. Not some magical God touching the water to turn it red. Theres a logical explanation for everything in the Bible. You shouldn't take it as gospel and the word of God. Its a book written by man and over time has been b*stardized and grossly exaggerated. All of the things you listed can be predicted by science and be provable without having to believe in it.

Human Nature today wasn't predicted over 2000+ years ago. Todays rivers, streams and lakes turning blood red are not the result of people getting killed.

Locals baffled as river in China turns BLOOD RED in just an hour
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/491838/River-in-China-turns-blood-red

They have the dead sea scrolls and they were matched up against the scriptures and they were a match.
My main issue is when the Bible talks about something specific during a certain time and it happens. It was written thousands of years ago and it happened like it said it would. Logically explained or not it still happened.

Author Date
Written Earliest Copy Approximate Time Span between original & copy Number of Copies Accuracy of Copies
Lucretius died 55 or 53 B.C. 1100 yrs 2 ----
Pliny A.D. 61-113 A.D. 850 750 yrs 7 ----
Plato 427-347 B.C. A.D. 900 1200 yrs 7 ----
Demosthenes 4th Cent. B.C. A.D. 1100 800 yrs 8 ----
Herodotus 480-425 B.C. A.D. 900 1300 yrs 8 ----
Suetonius A.D. 75-160 A.D. 950 800 yrs 8 ----
Thucydides 460-400 B.C. A.D. 900 1300 yrs 8 ----
Euripides 480-406 B.C. A.D. 1100 1300 yrs 9 ----
Aristophanes 450-385 B.C. A.D. 900 1200 10 ----
Caesar 100-44 B.C. A.D. 900 1000 10 ----
Livy 59 BC-AD 17 ---- ??? 20 ----
Tacitus circa A.D. 100 A.D. 1100 1000 yrs 20 ----
Aristotle 384-322 B.C. A.D. 1100 1400 49 ----
Sophocles 496-406 B.C. A.D. 1000 1400 yrs 193 ----
Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C. 400 B.C. 500 yrs 643 95%
New
Testament 1st Cent. A.D. (A.D. 50-100) 2nd Cent. A.D.
(c. A.D. 130 f.) less than 100 years 5600 99.5%
The New Testament is the most accurate historical book we have. The research has already been done.
It was not tampered with.

 

[Thsnnor]

NUCLEAR LEVEL DEVASTATION......I could not even bother

Any more info on the teapot?

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

We have found the remains of Noah's Ark and we have found the poop of many different animals that would normally not even been in the same area with each other.

History already happened. The facts remain. The book of Job talked about the Earth being a sphere and floating on nothing but people will believe what they want to.

how do we know this is the ark of noah and not gilgamesh?

And theres isolated tribes in africa aware of the equinox and sirius a&b .. im pretty sure ancient knowledge of the cosmos far surpassed that of the 'flat earth' societys of he last few hundred years.. tbh i always saw the flat earth argument as an excuse to turn up in america lol

 

[Thsnnor]

how do we know this is the ark of noah and not gilgamesh?

And theres isolated tribes in africa aware of the equinox and sirius a&b .. im pretty sure ancient knowledge of the cosmos far surpassed that of the 'flat earth' societys of he last few hundred years.. tbh i always saw the flat earth argument as an excuse to turn up in america lol

Dimensions matched the one in the Bible and the Tar/Pitch used was dated to Noah's time. Also they did analysis on the dung and it matched the plants during the time period. Finally the wood used was also analyzed and it matched the area in which Noah would have lived.

I think they were telling those cats so they wouldn't follow them. On some i'll take one for the team and fall off. Meanwhile they on the coast with ladies chillin saying I love america.

 

[AyahuascaSippin]

Dimensions matched the one in the Bible and the Tar/Pitch used was dated to Noah's time. Also they did analysis on the dung and it matched the plants during the time period. Finally the wood used was also analyzed and it matched the area in which Noah would have lived.

I think they were telling those cats so they wouldn't follow them. On some i'll take one for the team and fall off. Meanwhile they on the coast with ladies chillin saying I love america.

you got a source for the first part?

the second part... i could picture em like

ahh i seem to have derailed the questions a touch though ima smoke this and let @Ill and @tmonster do their thing.. i honestly think theres too many overlaps in modern religion with the older ones.. but i cant knock your faith

 

[onelastdeath]

Man made God Before God Made Man.

 

[ill]

Human Nature today wasn't predicted over 2000+ years ago. Todays rivers, streams and lakes turning blood red are not the result of people getting killed.

Locals baffled as river in China turns BLOOD RED in just an hour
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/491838/River-in-China-turns-blood-red

They have the dead sea scrolls and they were matched up against the scriptures and they were a match.
My main issue is when the Bible talks about something specific during a certain time and it happens. It was written thousands of years ago and it happened like it said it would. Logically explained or not it still happened.

Author Date
Written Earliest Copy Approximate Time Span between original & copy Number of Copies Accuracy of Copies
Lucretius died 55 or 53 B.C. 1100 yrs 2 ----
Pliny A.D. 61-113 A.D. 850 750 yrs 7 ----
Plato 427-347 B.C. A.D. 900 1200 yrs 7 ----
Demosthenes 4th Cent. B.C. A.D. 1100 800 yrs 8 ----
Herodotus 480-425 B.C. A.D. 900 1300 yrs 8 ----
Suetonius A.D. 75-160 A.D. 950 800 yrs 8 ----
Thucydides 460-400 B.C. A.D. 900 1300 yrs 8 ----
Euripides 480-406 B.C. A.D. 1100 1300 yrs 9 ----
Aristophanes 450-385 B.C. A.D. 900 1200 10 ----
Caesar 100-44 B.C. A.D. 900 1000 10 ----
Livy 59 BC-AD 17 ---- ??? 20 ----
Tacitus circa A.D. 100 A.D. 1100 1000 yrs 20 ----
Aristotle 384-322 B.C. A.D. 1100 1400 49 ----
Sophocles 496-406 B.C. A.D. 1000 1400 yrs 193 ----
Homer (Iliad) 900 B.C. 400 B.C. 500 yrs 643 95%
New
Testament 1st Cent. A.D. (A.D. 50-100) 2nd Cent. A.D.
(c. A.D. 130 f.) less than 100 years 5600 99.5%
The New Testament is the most accurate historical book we have. The research has already been done.
It was not tampered with.

http://www.sciences360.com/index.php/what-causes-a-lake-to-turn-red-244/

Its all explainable scientifically. I don't need false words from a false god to tell me these things.