So women don't make less than men

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They just pursue less lucrative fields of employment which I have been saying I just have the article to back it up.





No, Women Don’t Make Less Money Than Men
It’s the bogus statistic that won’t die—and president deployed it during the State of the Union—but women do not make 77 cents to every dollar a man earns.
President Obama repeated the spurious gender wage gap statistic in his State of the Union address. “Today,” he said, “women make up about half our workforce. But they still make 77 cents for every dollar a man earns. That is wrong, and in 2014, it’s an embarrassment.”

What is wrong and embarrassing is the President of the United States reciting a massively discredited factoid. The 23-cent gender pay gap is simply the difference between the average earnings of all men and women working full-time. It does not account for differences in occupations, positions, education, job tenure, or hours worked per week. When all these relevant factors are taken into consideration, the wage gap narrows to about five cents. And no one knows if the five cents is a result of discrimination or some other subtle, hard-to-measure difference between male and female workers. In its fact-checking column on the State of the Union, theWashington Post included the president’s mention of the wage gap in its list of dubious claims. “There is clearly a wage gap, but differences in the life choices of men and women… make it difficult to make simple comparisons.”

Consider, for example, how men and women differ in their college majors. Here is a list (PDF) of the ten most remunerative majors compiled by the Georgetown University Center on Education and the Workforce. Men overwhelmingly outnumber women in all but one of them:

1. Petroleum Engineering: 87% male
2. Pharmacy Pharmaceutical Sciences and Administration: 48% male
3. Mathematics and Computer Science: 67% male
4. Aerospace Engineering: 88% male
5. Chemical Engineering: 72% male
6. Electrical Engineering: 89% male
7. Naval Architecture and Marine Engineering: 97% male
8. Mechanical Engineering: 90% male
9. Metallurgical Engineering: 83% male
10. Mining and Mineral Engineering: 90% male

And here are the 10 least remunerative majors—where women prevail in nine out of ten:

1. Counseling Psychology: 74% female
2. Early Childhood Education: 97% female
3. Theology and Religious Vocations: 34% female
4. Human Services and Community Organization: 81% female
5. Social Work: 88% female
6. Drama and Theater Arts: 60% female
7. Studio Arts: 66% female
8. Communication Disorders Sciences and Services: 94% female
9. Visual and Performing Arts: 77% female
10. Health and Medical Preparatory Programs: 55% female

Much of the wage gap can be explained away by simply taking account of college majors. Early childhood educators and social workers can expect to earn around $36,000 and $39,000, respectively. By contrast, petroleum engineering and metallurgy degrees promise median earnings of $120,000 and $80,000. Not many aspiring early childhood educators would change course once they learn they can earn more in metallurgy or mining. The sexes, taken as a group, are somewhat different. Women, far more than men, appear to be drawn to jobs in the caring professions; and men are more likely to turn up in people-free zones. In the pursuit of happiness, men and women appear to take different paths.

But here is the mystery. These and other differences in employment preferences and work-family choices have been widely studied in recent years and are now documented in a mountain of solid empirical research. By now the President and his staff must be aware that the wage gap statistic has been demolished. This is not the first time the Washington Post has alerted the White House to the error. Why continue to use it? One possibility is that they have been taken in by the apologetics of groups like the National Organization for Women and the American Association of University Women. In its 2007 Behind the Pay Gap report, the AAUW admits that most of the gap in earnings is explained by choices. But this admission is qualified: “Women’s personal choices are similarly fraught with inequities,” says the AAUW. It speaks of women being “pigeonholed” into “pink-collar” jobs in health and education. According to NOW, powerful sexist stereotypes “steer” women and men “toward different education, training, and career paths.”

“Much of the wage gap can be explained away by simply taking account of college majors. In the pursuit of happiness, men and women appear to take different paths.”
Have these groups noticed that American women are now among the most educated, autonomous, opportunity-rich women in history? Why not respect their choices? For the past few decades, untold millions of state and federal dollars have been devoted to recruiting young women into engineering and computer technology. It hasn’t worked. The percent of degrees awarded to women in fields like computer science and engineering has either stagnated or significantly decreased since 2000. (According to Department of Education data, in 2000, women earned 19 percent of engineering BA’s, and 28 percent in computer science; by 2011, only 17 percent of engineering degrees were awarded to females, and the percent of female computer science degrees had dropped to 18.) All evidence suggests that though young women have the talent for engineering and computer science, their interest tends to lie elsewhere. To say that these women remain helplessly in thrall to sexist stereotypes, and manipulated into life choices by forces beyond their control, is divorced from reality—and demeaning to boot. If a woman wants to be a teacher rather than a miner, or a veterinarian rather than a petroleum engineer, more power to her.

The White House should stop using women’s choices to construct a false claim about social inequality that is poisoning our gender debates. And if the President is truly persuaded that statistical pay disparities indicate invidious discrimination, then he should address the wage gap in his own backyard. Female staff at the White House earn 88 cents on the dollar compared to men. Is there a White House war on women?


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/01/no-women-don-t-make-less-money-than-men.html
 

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We've already had a long draw out there that debunked the premise of this thread.

Even for the same jobs, women and blacks make less money. Use the search function on here or Google; they are both your friend.

Support inequality even when you too are at the bottom of the totem pole brehs. Cheer for white men brehs.
 

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We've already had a long draw out there that debunked the premise of this thread.

Even for the same jobs, women and blacks make less money. Use the search function on here or Google; they are both your friend.
For women the difference is negligible.
 

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For women the difference is negligible.

There shouldn't be a difference. I guess you also think the race wage gap (for the same work) is okay. Again, we've had this discussion and I brought sources (legitimate sources). You can go to that thread and read it and reply to those posts because I'm not about to do this all over again.
 

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There shouldn't be a difference. I guess you also think the race wage gap (for the same work) is okay. Again, we've had this discussion and I brought sources (legitimate sources). You can go to that thread and read it and reply to those posts because I'm not about to do this all over again.
The race gap is a more legitimate gripe than the gender gap.

If you watched the video above you'll notice that a plausible reason for a wage gap between genders is that women tend to not negotiate salaries.

:francis:
 

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If we used the silly logic in this video then companies would be FILLED with Blacks and Latinos of both genders as they make even less than white women, yet they aren't doing that. Could there be other factors at play? :ohhh:
 

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If we used the silly logic in this video then companies would be FILLED with Blacks and Latinos of both genders as they make even less than white women, yet they aren't doing that. Could there be other factors at play? :ohhh:
Clearly you don't understand the concept of adjusting for all variables.

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The race gap is a more legitimate gripe than the gender gap.

If you watched the video above you'll notice that a plausible reason for a wage gap between genders is that women tend to not negotiate salaries.

:francis:

Please stop. You are really in this thread trying to keep the white man at the top. Are you white? If not, then those articles about men versus women wage gaps are not about YOU. White men out earn everyone and women women even out earn people like you.

Here is a whole thread with pretty color graphs and linked sources (with all types of variables controlled for) that show that even for the same jobs women are making less.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...-makes-no-logical-sense.303133/#post-12681687
 

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Please stop. You are really in this thread trying to keep the white man at the top. Are you white? If not, then those articles about men versus women wage gaps are not about YOU. White men out earn everyone and women women even out earn people like you.

Here is a whole thread with pretty color graphs and linked sources that show that even for the same jobs women are making less.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-...-makes-no-logical-sense.303133/#post-12681687
Oh look, question the accuracy of the wage gap and get called a while male.

You all need a new gimmick

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