Social responsibility and capitalism.

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I give. I'm just gonna be as subjective as progressives are :pachaha:

You don't live in the real world. You seem to lack a sound theory of mind. You keep talking about all these hypotheticals and yet lack the most important ingredient, human behavior. You seem to use mental gymnastics to justify why humans would act in favor of capitalism but when the moral dilemmas come up, you seem to use a malformed altruistic argument. I can now see that you are some nerd behind a computer screen who has had very little interaction in the real world. You also seem to love straw man arguments.
A capitalist nation leads the world, socialist nations follow(none of which are pure either way)... yet you claim empirically that humans don't act in favor of capitalism and voluntary exchange :russ:




:bryan:I bet your gonna say we dont and have never lived in a capitalist nation :laff::laff::laff: or that the U.S. isnt the leading nation. :duck:
 

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If you don't see that corporatism is an inherent part of capitalism, I'm not sure what sort of "capitalism" you're talking about.

I don't know why you wrote the rest tbh, I'm not the one advocating the "jump from socialism (don't know what socialism you're talking about) to no government at all", but it's nothing but the logical consequence of free-marketteers' "policy".
:snoop: It isnt. The kind where the government doesnt hop in bed with big business :obama:
:ohhh:Wait, you think the joining of state and economy is purely an economic(capitalism in this case) phenomenon and not a failure of the government body? You think its capitalism that makes politicians accept bribes from corps.? You think this all made possible by capitalism, not Washington itself? :dwillhuh:

Based of your post, you must be smarter than that.
 

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I give. I'm just gonna be as subjective as progressives are :pachaha:


A capitalist nation leads the world, socialist nations follow(none of which are pure either way)... yet you claim empirically that humans don't act in favor of capitalism and voluntary exchange :russ:


:bryan:I bet your gonna say we dont and have never lived in a capitalist nation :laff::laff::laff: or that the U.S. isnt the leading nation. :duck:


The US has never prospered as a purely Capitalistic nation. And no, most of the first world practices social policies extensively.




Incredibly dumb quote. Corporations are archaic. Milton Friedman is archaic.
 

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The US has never prospered as a purely Capitalistic nation. And no, most of the first world practices social policies extensively.





Incredibly dumb quote. Corporations are archaic. Milton Friedman is archaic.
I specifically stated it wasnt pure...:stopitslime:

But it was capitalist, and less socialist. This is fact.

and the quote is accurate.:blessed:
 

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I specifically stated it wasnt pure...:stopitslime:

But it was capitalist, and less socialist. This is fact.

and the quote is accurate.:blessed:

You never made your advocation of anything but pure capitalism or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Corporations are archaic and one of the greatest enemies of modern capitalism. The system has to be reinvented....
 

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Incredibly dumb quote. Corporations are archaic. Milton Friedman is archaic.
Well in that case... I will need u to explain how he is wrong..... Just how are corporations archaic???
 

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A capitalist nation leads the world, socialist nations follow(none of which are pure either way)... yet you claim empirically that humans don't act in favor of capitalism and voluntary exchange :russ:

You never made your advocation of anything but pure capitalism or we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Corporations are archaic and one of the greatest enemies of modern capitalism. The system has to be reinvented....
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No...

Because in the Capitalist's thinking, social responsibility is "TOO EXPENSIVE"....Social responsibility means universal healthcare, affordable housing for the majority, affordable (preferably free) education for the majority, efficient social support services, and a smaller wealth gap between the "rich" and the "poor"...

These things don't make sense to a Capitalist...

Social responsibility means making and using money to help society...Capitalism is about making and using money to make more money...
fukked up but this is what the teach you in business school and most business programs.

You might be lucky to have a professor or mentor to explain to you that raw capitalism at it's core is very selfish and that we should strive to be better but...
 

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a link saying "probably" and twitter are your sources? :what:

No, a world renowned, heavily decorated, Harvard economist is my source.

And when he says "probably" he is being sarcastic, nuance that a person like yourself cannot do. Reading between the lines it too much for a person who thinks capitalism won't lead to cronyism and corporatism.
 

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fukked up but this is what the teach you in business school and most business programs.

You might be lucky to have a professor or mentor to explain to you that raw capitalism at it's core is very selfish and that we should strive to be better but...

Show me a business school where they teach this. :childplease:

Most business schools nowadays have entire classes/seminars/units within otherwise unrelated classes focusing on social responsibility.
 

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Show me a business school where they teach this. :childplease:

Most business schools nowadays have entire classes/seminars/units within otherwise unrelated classes focusing on social responsibility.

Is Wall Street not enough proof? I disagree with the quote on the grounds that I believe they teach them that its selfish but its okay to be morally ambiguous because Ayn Rand said so....
 

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Show me a business school where they teach this. :childplease:

Most business schools nowadays have entire classes/seminars/units within otherwise unrelated classes focusing on social responsibility.
What???

You're correct in the assumption that most if not all business schools have entire classes and seminars and units focusing in business ETHICS. This is very true, my entire undergrad curriculum I felt was one big "let's sit and reflect on how terrible Enron was" pow wow...

Here's the thing though..

Business 101: A business basically has two reasons for existence, one is to provide a good or service, two to maximize profit and returns for either its shareholder or stakeholders.

A business has NO OTHER OBLIGATION. If you Google the syllibi or course curriculum of every top business school and program I think you'll find that my statements are not far off.

The problem is...unchecked, businesses will wreak havoc on society without rules and regulations that protect the consumer and society in general. Businesses have no obligation to uplift society or protect them from various ills...but they CAN be held accountable given a particular societies rules and regulations, and thus it would be in the best interest of the business to do no harm...

BUT are you really doing "harm" if no one sues you for it or takes you to court because it it? Are you responsible for something unless a judge or panel of representatives from a governing body tells you you are?

That's where we are in the business world right now. We want the things we have, we want busineseses and corporations to be able to sell us the things we want, but in order to do that, sometimes, businesses conduct immoral or unethical practices in order to achieve these outcomes.

The goal here is to create a system where they ARE liable or responsible for their actions because without that obligation, as someone said before, you're leaving it up to the consumer to decipher whether or not those actions are harmful, often times AFTER they've taken place and done their damage. And in a world where information is imperfect (not just incorrect but also LATE) that's just not good enough.
 
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