Software Development and Programming Careers (Official Discussion Thread)

[sjankis630]

fukk HR Departments and fukk shytty ass executives

I am not in software development but I can second this post regarding HR. They are essentially useless and only protect the company. Also they seem to staff all of HR with young women fresh out of college who - no ill will intended - don't know anything about anything and just parrot back the company line. I am on the business side and whenever any of the projects I supported needed a new programmer etc they would always get the project to give the candidate they had picked to HR after they had been vetted as HR was clueless.

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

I am not in software development but I can second this post regarding HR. They are essentially useless and only protect the company. Also they seem to staff all of HR with young women fresh out of college who - no ill will intended - don't know anything about anything and just parrot back the company line. I am on the business side and whenever any of the projects I supported needed a new programmer etc they would always get the project to give the candidate they had picked to HR after they had been vetted as HR was clueless.

They're not just there to 'protect the company' either, because never in a million years would I consider myself a 'threat' to the company. I went above and beyond every day at work, worked after hours unpaid just so I could make things better for me and my coworkers. Workflows and scripts I wrote and created will be used for years to come but I was absolutely disposable because I asked for too much money and my CIO didn't want to deal with it--even though he had to deal with it regardless since they got rid of me and realized they had to create an entire new position for a lot of the stuff that I did. It's important for us to be aware that executives will also weaponize them given the opportunity. Don't let them take advantage of your naivety like they did me. Follow the employee handbook to a T, don't talk to ANYONE at work about anything other than work. Don't make friends, don't send any messages on teams that you wouldn't be willing to directly tell your manager about. You and your work buddy joke around in teams chat during work? If for some reason HR wanted to fire you at a later date they will review every message and email you sent to find a reason. Something you find to be a joke / acceptable HR will frame as 'inappropriate' and in violation of the employee handbook.

What they used to suspend me:

Using personal MacBook for work (I used Claude code because its only compatible with macOS and linux)
Social Media Policy violations - I had no social media active except LinkedIn. They claimed that I violated the policy because I would post some problem I faced at work and how I fixed it via programming (vague, no PII, nothing specific).

while suspended:

"Inappropriate teams messages sent to coworkers"

 

[cyndaquil]

Working in a remote call and saw another brother in a cloud engineer role while working on an networking issue with one of our services. shyt is always dope when I spot one of us

 

[Regular Developer]

Guys, I don't know if you have got into vibe coding. But I think you should try it. Unless you have serious complaints about having to "fix bugs" which I feel like we spent a lot of our time doing anyway, you need this in your tool belt.

Figure out what your development workflow will be with Cursor or Antigravity. Get all the kinks out the way so your advanced by the time it becomes main stream. Find it's limits, and what prompts work the best

 

[cyndaquil]

Guys, I don't know if you have got into vibe coding. But I think you should try it. Unless you have serious complaints about having to "fix bugs" which I feel like we spent a lot of our time doing anyway, you need this in your tool belt.

Figure out what your development workflow will be with Cursor or Antigravity. Get all the kinks out the way so your advanced by the time it becomes main stream. Find it's limits, and what prompts work the best

I use it for side project development.

 

[Regular Developer]

I use it for side project development.

I created some cool games to learn Japanese. I'm going to turn it into a whole mobile app for myself. It already does text to speech too! I didn't know the library existed

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

Guys, I don't know if you have got into vibe coding. But I think you should try it. Unless you have serious complaints about having to "fix bugs" which I feel like we spent a lot of our time doing anyway, you need this in your tool belt.

Figure out what your development workflow will be with Cursor or Antigravity. Get all the kinks out the way so your advanced by the time it becomes main stream. Find it's limits, and what prompts work the best

Claude code is so fun. It allows you to extend your skills far beyond your capabilities, and then you get to learn during troubleshooting.

 

[PoorAndDangerous]

I start my new job Tuesday, I help convert general ledger tables & automatic transfers during conversions to our banking core. Excited to get back to work after 5 months.

 

[sjankis630]

I start my new job Tuesday, I help convert general ledger tables & automatic transfers during conversions to our banking core. Excited to get back to work after 5 months.

Congratulations!
I used to check this guy out with some of his Udemy tutorials. He seems to think there is a new way to learn software development vs the old system of trying to just memorize stuff. I guess it just changes too fast? Brad Traversy. I am failed at learning but may try again just for a cheap hobby that doesn't cost money.

Learning to code has changed

https://coderabbit.link/traversymedia Document referred to in video: https://link.excalidraw.com/readonly/PvQOdHmPsUObYpXGyrjmLeading tech companies have bee...

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[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

I’m starting to see light at the end of the shuttle for my app being built.

 

[Regular Developer]

With this Agentic driven coding, I think history is repeating itself. A lot of IT is saying "Ths is AI slop, and it halluicinates. I won't debug AI written garbage", instead of trying to figure out how to address the issues they're complaining about, and the business is moving forward with it anyway.

IT Examples:

• Blackberry vs Iphone
• Spreadsheets
• SaaS/Cloud
• Personal Computers

This is at least what I'm seeing based on the fact that I'm lazy, I hate working on other people's problems, and I like leaving work at 5pm not feeling something is left open. The business is going to adopt it and force IT to figure it out anyway, with the added affect that they now have less visibility into the going ons of the business

 

[null]

With this Agentic driven coding, I think history is repeating itself. A lot of IT is saying "Ths is AI slop, and it halluicinates. I won't debug AI written garbage", instead of trying to figure out how to address the issues they're complaining about, and the business is moving forward with it anyway.

IT Examples:

• Blackberry vs Iphone
• Spreadsheets
• SaaS/Cloud
• Personal Computers

This is at least what I'm seeing based on the fact that I'm lazy, I hate working on other people's problems, and I like leaving work at 5pm not feeling something is left open. The business is going to adopt it and force IT to figure it out anyway, with the added affect that they now have less visibility into the going ons of the business

it needs to create a ROI.

open AI is spending trillions on a current revenue of 20bn.

you can't just magic economic sufficiency into reality because of management will.

else you wouldn't have had all those previous bubbles.




with every single bubble you hear justifications for why "it's different this time".

excessive exuberance they called it.

 

[Regular Developer]

it needs to create a ROI.

open AI is spending trillions on a current revenue of 20bn.

you can't just magic economic sufficiency into reality because of management will.

else you wouldn't have had all those previous bubbles.




with every single bubble you hear justifications for why "it's different this time".

excessive exuberance they called it.

The ROI is the speed at which business gets their answers. Things that take IT months to develop and fix that now take weeks is definitely something the business will push IT to accept. And what's going to happen, they're going to start doing things like developing 80% apps with security flaws that they give access to other people and that's going to be a headache. Much like how when iPhone couldn't integrate with business Microsoft exchange, users started ccing their work emails to their personal.

I think that the bubble here is these magical statements/numbers everyone is coming up with for Gen AI in general. "Software departments are going away", "Anybody can make a movie now" or the 1 billion dollars of investment they're coming up with. But the part that's going to stick is people are using this to complete their day to day tasks much more efficiently. Only thing is, I don't know what the pricing model looks like for cursor/antigravity or whatever else comes on the market

But this sort of gatekeeping has happened in other industries to. With music, Napster came out, and the music industry just tried suing the shyt out of everyone. Now look, Spotify and apple music have a big say in how music is distributed now, when the music industry could have created their own tools that did this

Spoiler: Some interesting reads

• How the iPhone begat shadow IT and enterprise mobility

...“I don’t know that there was a real shadow IT movement prior to the iPhone,” said Chris Silva, a Gartner research director. “The iPhone was definitely shadow IT 1.0. Everyone was taken by surprise.”

IT shops stayed busy trying to make sure employees weren’t circumventing corporate email by forwarding messages to their personal mail accounts so they could use them on their iPhones.

• https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB118221943189139997
• Cloud computing (2010) - Sneaking around IT to get to the cloud.

 

[null]

The ROI is the speed at which business gets their answers.

so why is open AI only making 20bn REVENUE p/a then?

Things that take IT months to develop and fix that now take weeks is definitely something the business will push IT to accept. And what's going to happen, they're going to start doing things like developing 80% apps with security flaws that they give access to other people and that's going to be a headache. Much like how when iPhone couldn't integrate with business Microsoft exchange, users started ccing their work emails to their personal.

why the repeated use of future tense .

if it only takes "weeks" to develop and AI has been with us for YEARS where are all these AI produced products?

enterprise software that is 20% incorrect is less than useless.

I think that the bubble here is these magical statements/numbers everyone is coming up with for Gen AI in general. "Software departments are going away", "Anybody can make a movie now" or the 1 billion dollars of investment they're coming up with. But the part that's going to stick is people are using this to complete their day to day tasks much more efficiently. Only thing is, I don't know what the pricing model looks like for cursor/antigravity or whatever else comes on the market

TRILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT is being made with the expectancy that AGI will be reached.

NOT billions.

it's a bubble either way. the ones that lose the battle to AGI will crash whether it is all of them. or all but one of them.

we are hitting a data, compute and parameter limit.

statistical inference has limits.

But this sort of gatekeeping has happened in other industries to.

it's babble keeping not "gatekeeping".

making unfounded claims about AGI should always be constrained.

did you study comp sci at uni? AI? LLMs?

 

[Regular Developer]

so why is open AI only making 20bn REVENUE p/a then?



why the repeated use of future tense .

if it only takes "weeks" to develop and AI has been with us for YEARS where are all these AI produced products?

enterprise software that is 20% incorrect is less than useless.



TRILLION DOLLAR INVESTMENT is being made with the expectancy that AGI will be reached.

NOT billions.

it's a bubble either way. the ones that lose the battle to AGI will crash whether it is all of them. or all but one of them.

we are hitting a data, compute and parameter limit.

statistical inference has limits.





it's babble keeping not "gatekeeping".

making unfounded claims about AGI should always be constrained.

did you study comp sci at uni? AI? LLMs?

I did computer engineering in university, I was better at the software part than the electrical, lol.

I'm not really following the AGI portion, I'm more focused on the application of LLM to coding. I don't understand what the goal is with AGI at the moment, as I'm not really into AI from a theoretical stand point. I just know the pain points I had and have when doing development or outsourcing it, vs what I'm able to do today with cursor. And then thinking about having this at work, my day would go by so much faster, lol.

But yea, I think the bubble is there. But I think there is still substance here.

As far as the it only takes weeks why haven't... I dunno, maybe I'll run into the problem when I do, but I feel like the Agentic AI integration with IDEs is relatively new.

Edit: also, sorry if your already replying, what are some other technologies that came by that was successfully and correctly kept out by IT? I know crypto, for example, is nowhere near adopted as what people were saying. Same with VR