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Payton was 4 inches shorter and 70-90 pounds smaller too6'1 180 lb. Isiah Thomas defending LeBron James
When was Isiah Thomas considered this great defender?![]()


Payton was 4 inches shorter and 70-90 pounds smaller too6'1 180 lb. Isiah Thomas defending LeBron James
When was Isiah Thomas considered this great defender?![]()
LeBron actually dropped 32 on the Lakers with Payton as his primary defender as a teenage rookiePayton was 4 inches shorter and 70-90 pounds smaller too. That shyt would be like watching Shaq and Dikembe in the 2001 finals
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Getting steals does not make you an elite defender, Isiah Thomas was never an All-Defensive team guy, and he would never be tasked with guarding a guy like LeBron he's 180 lb. dog.You joking right, Zeke can D it up and was known for hand checking, smothering defense on the rotation and led the league in steals 4x
Getting steals does not make you an elite defender, Isiah Thomas was never an All-Defensive team guy, and he would never be tasked with guarding a guy like LeBron he's 180 lb. dog.
Mj ain't deal with zone Defense. Lebron is pretty much triple teamed when he drives..back in mia day if you don't defend a nikka it's a tech.and what it does to your game.
i mean ya'll must be young as hell or hoop against bunch of pusssies.
it changes your direction. it totally ruins what you gonna do. pusssies won't last cuz dudes will be all over you. your jumpers will be off. it's hard to drive to the hoop.
i hoop with bunch of late 30's to 40's brehs in rec league. they still play like how it was played then. and these nikkas strong as fuk. they will lean on you. they will do everything except an obvious foul to get physical. and it really messes you up.
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AND LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT
hand-check is more than just having hands on you.
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you go watch what the glove did to Jordan in the finals. that nikka stuck to GOAT like a glue. if he did that in today's game he would get fouled out in 5 min.
and you bron stans have no clue. seriously
you nikkas think bron is just too big so the handcheck woudln't matter?
guess who bothered MJ the most? smaller guys - glove and dumars. what do they have in common?
THESE NIKKAS CAN GET INSIDE YOU AND STICK LIKE A GLUE CUZ THEY CAN FIT INSIDE YOU.
IT'S NEVER ABOUT THE SIZE. dennis rodman routinely bothers nikkas much bigger than himself.
these nikkas can get low to the ground. their job isn't to block your shot. they ain't gonna stop you from jumping over you. but they can get into your head. and they also can messes up your FOOTWORK by getting low and stick to you and be there with you wherever you go.
imagine somebody who's fast and agile enough to mirror bron everywhere he goes and he get to basically rub his balls on bron's big asss thigh. wouldn't that messes up his game a little?
HOW DID BRON LOSE FINALS? did he magically disappear? no. all it takes is a little bit of off game from him and then all of sudden you are on a losing side of the basketball.
LOOK I'M BEING HONEST. NOBODY CAN STOP BRON. BUT SOMEBODY CAN SLOW HIM DOWN IF THE RULE WAS ALLOWED FOR BREHS TO PLAY PHYSICAL HAND CHECK DEFENSE.
AND DEFENSE AIN'T ABOUT TALENT BACK THEN AND NOW. IT'S ABOUT BREHS WANTING TO GET NASTY.
we know nobody can stop bron. bron is great. but there's a way can a great defender can slow him down and throw his game off.
IT'S A FACT BRON NEVER FACED TYPE OF TENACIOUS DEFENSE MJ HAD TO FACE EVERY DAMN NIGHT.
ask karl how rodman threw him off guard
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If handchecking would make no difference in the NBA in this era, they should bring it back. What is there to lose?
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amazing how you posted this and nikkas STILL came in here to argue that shyt would be exactly the sameHubie Brown On Why The Modern NBA Is Easier | Mike And Mike
Have experts like hubie break down how handchecking was effective yet these youngins think they know more than hubie brown
Almost forgot:
MJ=GOAT
No he is not, you can't even breathe on breh without having a foul called.
Again, you're jumping to more conclusions I never made. When you're allowed to be more physical on defense it's ALWAYS going to affect an offensive player's and team's ability to generate points. The problem with it being overrated is that generally dudes don't know what the fukk they're talking about when it comes to handchecking and get different rule systems, enforcement and time periods mixed up:
1978/79:
Clarification added to prohibit hand-checking through “rigid enforcement” of rule allowing a defensive player to retain contact with his opponent so long as he does not impede his opponent’s progress.
Proper handchecking was basically outlawed by 1980. You could no longer use your hand to impede a player's progress. Basically, real handchecking wasn't in existence by the time Jordan came into the league. The amount of contact you see on ball-handlers today (especially the playoffs) is basically the same as it was when Jordan was in the league. This isn't even mentioning that from about Jordan's third season he was getting "superstar" calls. Not only was he not dealing with real handchecking but he was getting calls that the regular player wasn't getting. I've got a ton of tape back in my parents' crib where dudes like Snapper Jones said regularly through the early/mid '80s that defenses weren't what they used to be in the 70s when you could handcheck.
All this shyt about about Jordan being able to average 50 and score 100 in this era because there's no handchecking is complete nonsense, because Jordan never had to deal with REAL handchecking in the first place.
That's WHY handchecking is overrated and overstated.
100% fact.Handchecking still goes on today, a handcheck can be called on almost every play. Curry is one of the most handchecked players of All-Time.
Pippen couldn't lock up Mashburn who dropped 50 on him...but he could check Lebron??I'm pretty sure 90s Roman could slow Lebron down
Matter fact Jordan and Pippen both would lock Lebron up.
Pippen couldn't lock up Mashburn who dropped 50 on him...but he could check Lebron??
Payton was 4 inches shorter and 70-90 pounds smaller too. That #### would be like watching Shaq and Dikembe in the 2001 finals
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True. Penny used to destroy Pippen as well.
So you're saying Jordan and Rodman would give Lebron problems though![]()