some of y'all nikkas don't realize greatness when it's right in front of you

[noumena]

lyrically, i ain't heard a nikka this nice and sharp since mos def came through in 98' with the blackstar album with kweli and then his own album in 99' with black on both sides album

but kendrick lamar is the truth. this is the nikka who's got hip hop on lock and in a smash

he's miles, leaps, valleys and peaks past his peers; drake, j cole, big krit (this nikka nice too though!), asap rocky/asap mob, big sean, and whoever is runnin' laps far behind him in this marathon of hip hop and rap music

ain't none of his peers comin' with the shyt he's writin', the songs he's puttin' together, better produced albums etc

2 classic albums so far. yeah, both good kid, m.a.a.d city and to pimp a butterfly are classics. section.80 is the shyt too. kendrick is the best mc in hip hop and the rap game now

lemme put it to you like this, i ain't impressed with hip hop and rap music as a whole no more but i'm a fan of kendrick's and the homie is breathin' life back into this lost, flabby and sick genre of music. thank god!

No. Title Writer(s) Producer(s) Length
2. "For Free? (Interlude)"

• Duckworth
• Terrace Martin
• Rose McKinney

4. "Institutionalized" (featuring Bilal, Anna Wise and Snoop Dogg)

• Duckworth
• Columbus Smith
• Fredrik Halldin
• Sam Barsh

Rahki
5. "These Walls" (featuring Bilal, Anna Wise and Thundercat)

• Duckworth
• Martin
• Larrance Dopson
• James Fauntleroy
• McKinney

• Martin
• 1500 or Nothin'
• Sounwave[a]

6. "u"

• Duckworth
• Taz "Ti$a" Arnold
• Michael "Whoarei" Brown

• Arnold
• Whoarei
• Sounwave[a]

7. "Alright"

• Duckworth
• Pharrell Williams
• Mark Spears

• Williams
• Sounwave

3:39
8. "For Sale? (Interlude)"

• Duckworth
• Arnold

• Arnold
• Sounwave[a]
• Martin[a]

11. "How Much a Dollar Cost" (featuring James Fauntleroy and Ronald Isley)

• Duckworth
• Martin
• Josef "LoveDragon" Leimberg
• McKinney
• Fauntleroy
• Ronald Isley

12. "Complexion (A Zulu Love)" (featuring Rapsody)

• Duckworth
• Bruner
• Marlanna Evans

• Thundercat
• Sounwave
• Martin[a]
• The Antydote[a]

13. "The Blacker the Berry"

• Duckworth
• Matthew Samuels
• Stephen Kozmeniuk
• Ken Lewis
• Brent Kolatalo
• Jefferey Campbell
• Alexander "Jesứs" Izquierdo
• Zale Epstein

• Boi-1da
• KOZ
• Martin

14. "You Ain't Gotta Lie (Momma Said)"

• Duckworth
• Martin

LoveDragon


NOT being a hater but this album was a team effort through and through. Kanye gets hate for having 30 writers yet look at those credits, I think the songs THEY are writing and putting together would be a better way to put it.

I will agree with you though, he's definitely one of the best out of new school.

Section 80 was overrated to me though

 

[onlylno]

Here's where I think alot of the post-GKMC backlash comes from. It has little to do with his talent but all to do with his style. This issues are:

1. He's incredible corny. From the sanctimonious consciousness to the crying on tracks, and the different voices. You can't help but go

(This GIF usage doesn't reflect an endorsement of Drake) (Don't bring stan wars into this).

2. His style is highly poetic. If every track he dropped was in the style of Hood Politics. This thread would be unnecessary. Instead, he favors a wordy poetic style with subtle metaphors that at times is the equivalent of audio

4. Dude is crazy emotional. Alot of people aren't the type that want to connect with their emotions or the emotions of others. so when one encounters an artist like K.Dot, who pours pure emotion into every verse, it can be uncomfortable to regularly listen to.

5. People already have heard artists like blackstar, D'angelo, The Roots, etc. Dude doesn't get credit for bringing back that soulquarian style. He ain't really saying nothing new. In fact, I've yet to hear some mind blowing relevant ions or insights from K.Dot. His fans greatly exaggerate his Impact. TBH, I would say that Chance the Rapper is a more groundbreaking MC than Kendrick.

6. He along with J.Cole has brought on a resurgence of backpackers.

7. He's not that fun to listen to. Say what you want about future but there's something viscerally exciting about his music.

 

[noumena]

TBH, I would say that Chance the Rapper is a more groundbreaking MC than Kendrick.

receipts?

 

[I love Latina women]

NOT being a hater but this album was a team effort through and through. Kanye gets hate for having 30 writers yet look at those credits, I think the songs THEY are writing and putting together would be a better way to put it.

I will agree with you though, he's definitely one of the best out of new school.

Section 80 was overrated to me though

at the bolded, that goes without sayin' for anyone. nobody does it "all" in the studio by themselves
everyone has some form of help whether it be from an engineer, studio technician, producer, another songwriter who maybe offerin' a suggestion --- i'm not talkin' bout no nikka writin' whole songs as a ghostwriter and shyt lol or maybe even a nikka's homies who in there addin' there 2 cents and shyt
but nobody goes into that booth and goes from bein' clark kent to superman. from kendrick to prince, everyone has helped in some form or fashion

as far as an mc goes, when we talk about mcin' and bein' an mc and lyricist, the problem becomes if say a nikka is like puffy
puffy has a team of writers he works with who write his shyt and all
now if puff goes around and starts sayin' he's the best mc in the game, then that's wrong because he's not. he's 's solely an entertainer in that regard
kendrick might get a suggestion or a line or 2 or a suggestion here and there from a homie or producer (like anyone does) but i'm willin' to bet a good 95% of his lyrics are comin' from his own head

but goin' back to the 1st initial thing you was talkin' bout, naw ain't nobody doin' by themselves. your right, it's a team effort. it's a lot of work to put together songs and a whole album at that. lots of long night and days go into the studio for months and even longer for the artists involved to get the project where they want it to be if they are serious about their craft and work

 

[mbewane]

Here's where I think alot of the post-GKMC backlash comes from. It has little to do with his talent but all to do with his style. This issues are:

1. He's incredible corny. From the sanctimonious consciousness to the crying on tracks, and the different voices. You can't help but go

(This GIF usage doesn't reflect an endorsement of Drake) (Don't bring stan wars into this).

2. His style is highly poetic. If every track he dropped was in the style of Hood Politics. This thread would be unnecessary. Instead, he favors a wordy poetic style with subtle metaphors that at times is the equivalent of audio

4. Dude is crazy emotional. Alot of people aren't the type that want to connect with their emotions or the emotions of others. so when one encounters an artist like K.Dot, who pours pure emotion into every verse, it can be uncomfortable to regularly listen to.

5. People already have heard artists like blackstar, D'angelo, The Roots, etc. Dude doesn't get credit for bringing back that soulquarian style. He ain't really saying nothing new. In fact, I've yet to hear some mind blowing relevant ions or insights from K.Dot. His fans greatly exaggerate his Impact. TBH, I would say that Chance the Rapper is a more groundbreaking MC than Kendrick.

6. He along with J.Cole has brought on a resurgence of backpackers.

7. He's not that fun to listen to. Say what you want about future but there's something viscerally exciting about his music.

A lot good points. The main reasons I don't really like Kendrick is because of his voice "effects" (shyt is incredibly corny), shyt even his normal voice ain't nothing special. I grew up listening to MCs like Pac, Meth, P, Ghost, Busta, Red, Nas, Mos, etc...so it's hard for me to keep up when an MC's voice is not really special. Can't comment on Chance because he's another guy I don't manage to listen to.

I'm not even sure about the whole "poetic" thing. I read a lot and honestly he sometimes sounds like the guy who WANTS to be poetic. Also, his impact is widely overblown, they really just should've let him do his thing and catch his place instead of the whole bs "new Pac" stance.

For me he's the Bron of HH, the guy who is great (no denying his talents) but is being hailed as a savior or whatever .That's where the backlash comes from imo

 

[I love Latina women]

Here's where I think alot of the post-GKMC backlash comes from. It has little to do with his talent but all to do with his style. This issues are:

1. He's incredible corny. From the sanctimonious consciousness to the crying on tracks, and the different voices. You can't help but go

(This GIF usage doesn't reflect an endorsement of Drake) (Don't bring stan wars into this).

2. His style is highly poetic. If every track he dropped was in the style of Hood Politics. This thread would be unnecessary. Instead, he favors a wordy poetic style with subtle metaphors that at times is the equivalent of audio

4. Dude is crazy emotional. Alot of people aren't the type that want to connect with their emotions or the emotions of others. so when one encounters an artist like K.Dot, who pours pure emotion into every verse, it can be uncomfortable to regularly listen to.

5. People already have heard artists like blackstar, D'angelo, The Roots, etc. Dude doesn't get credit for bringing back that soulquarian style. He ain't really saying nothing new. In fact, I've yet to hear some mind blowing relevant ions or insights from K.Dot. His fans greatly exaggerate his Impact. TBH, I would say that Chance the Rapper is a more groundbreaking MC than Kendrick.

6. He along with J.Cole has brought on a resurgence of backpackers.

7. He's not that fun to listen to. Say what you want about future but there's something viscerally exciting about his music.

 

[DJDONTNOBODYPAYME]

I can respect that. I'll admit his voice annoys me at times too. Like on the track "U". I couldnt with that drunkin voice. Or the kid voice in "Hood Politics". I still like Hood Politics though.

Right (but "U" is my shyt tho).


Aftermath has a thing for recycling the same exact formula (musically).

First it started with Eminem. Then Dre, then Kendrick. And even though he's no longer on the label, more recently it's been 50 Cent.


I hate when they do shyt like that

 

[BarackStar]

Not the best mc alive at all

 

[onlylno]

 

[I love Latina women]

nothin' is original by default and everyone is influenced by someone who came before them

but to sit here and shyt on kendrick who's takin' his influences who've come before and comin' with some shyt in another form of his own and not bite of what came before and then turn around a big up his peers who are comin' with some cookie cutter bullshyt deserved that spike lee gif because it thought your whole argument was butchered and all over the place

i can understand if someone can't get around his voice but you can't deny the man's talent as an mc. when you compare kendrick to someone like drake, j cole, or a big sean, it's not even a competition. he's runnin' laps around these nikkas. talent wise, artistic wise. fukk sales because a lot of times the muthafukka with the most talent don't always sell the most. hell, a lot of crack was sold in the 80's but it won't right and the same goes for a lot of this bullshyt ass music that gets promoted like it's the best thing since sliced bread

kendrick is a leader, these other new nikkas is just followers and lost in the sauce

 

[onlylno]

A lot good points. The main reasons I don't really like Kendrick is because of his voice "effects" (shyt is incredibly corny), shyt even his normal voice ain't nothing special. I grew up listening to MCs like Pac, Meth, P, Ghost, Busta, Red, Nas, Mos, etc...so it's hard for me to keep up when an MC's voice is not really special. Can't comment on Chance because he's another guy I don't manage to listen to.

I'm not even sure about the whole "poetic" thing. I read a lot and honestly he sometimes sounds like the guy who WANTS to be poetic. Also, his impact is widely overblown, they really just should've let him do his thing and catch his place instead of the whole bs "new Pac" stance.

For me he's the Bron of HH, the guy who is great (no denying his talents) but is being hailed as a savior or whatever .That's where the backlash comes from imo

The difference between Kendrick and Bron is that Kendrick actively perpetuates his myth.

Kendrick claims that Pac appeared to him in a dream and passed the torch of Hiphop to him.

There's also this recent quote;

"I know I’m chosen,” he says. "I know I’m a favorite. I know in my heart there’s a whole other energy and leadership side of me that I have probably run from my whole life. How much power do I want? How much can I handle? That’s the question I keep asking myself. ’Cause when you are a voice for the youth, nothing can stop you."

 

[mbewane]

The difference between Kendrick and Bron is that Kendrick actively perpetuates his myth.

Kendrick claims that Pac appeared to him in a dream and passed the torch of Hiphop to him.

There's also this recent quote;

"I know I’m chosen,” he says. "I know I’m a favorite. I know in my heart there’s a whole other energy and leadership side of me that I have probably run from my whole life. How much power do I want? How much can I handle? That’s the question I keep asking myself. ’Cause when you are a voice for the youth, nothing can stop you."

tbh I can't be too mad at him, he's confident and wants to take the world over, why not. Plus he has every single media outlet saying he's God with a microphone, so at some point it gets to him. But yeah the whole Pac thing is def pushing it too far.

 

[YBM]

Kendrick is a fukking lame pseudo- intellectual 2pac/Andre 3000 wannabe

 

[milik_19]

Kendrick is miles ahead of his peers. He could have dropped straight hiphop shyt, but goes on to make a lyrical, jazz, funk influenced album. He is the one pushing boundaries while still making amazing music. In 10-15 years, Kendrick will be recognised by everyone as one of the greatest ever. Right now he's ahead of his time, I feel sorry for the ones who can't understand his greatness right now

 

[onlylno]

nothin' is original by default and everyone is influenced by someone who came before them

but to sit here and shyt on kendrick who's takin' his influences who've come before and comin' with some shyt in another form of his own and not bite of what came before and then turn around a big up his peers who are comin' with some cookie cutter bullshyt deserved that spike lee gif because it thought your whole argument was butchered and all over the place

i can understand if someone can't get around his voice but you can't deny the man's talent as an mc. when you compare kendrick to someone like drake, j cole, or a big sean, it's not even a competition. he's runnin' laps around these nikkas. talent wise, artistic wise. fukk sales because a lot of times the muthafukka with the most talent don't always sell the most. hell, a lot of crack was sold in the 80's but it won't right and the same goes for a lot of this bullshyt ass music that gets promoted like it's the best thing since sliced bread

kendrick is a leader, these other new nikkas is just followers and lost in the sauce

Here's where I think alot of the post-GKMC backlash comes from. It has little to do with his talent, but all to do with his style.

I agree, I never made a cohesive arguement against Kendrick as a rapper. But that wasnt my intent, I just listed a couple reasons why people don't fukk with him. That's all.

I'm not shytting on Kendrick for wearing his influences on his sleeve. I'm just saying that he's not as groundbreaking, content wise, as he's being sold, because he wears his influences on his sleeves. regardless, most of Kendricks notoriety comes from the way he designs/structures his albums. GKMC became the instant success precisely because of the groundbreaking way he structured the album. Not, neccesarily for his rhyming.

Also:

I never said shyt about his talent.

I never said shyt about his sales.

I never compared the quality of his art to those of another artist. The future comparison was based solely on the stylistic characteristics of each artists music. Future simply makes fun music to listen to. Kendrick doesn't. That's why people wouldn't be as receptive to kendrick.

*******
Btw:


IMO, hiphop doesn't need more artists like kendrick. The less backpackers and TDE, the better.

We need more artist like Mobb, Wu, Ghostface, Redman, Outkast, Killer Mike. etc.

Artists that got skills and content but are still highly entertaining with charasmatic personalities to boot.