Sony stans mad: The thread

[PS5 Pro]

In today's episode of Sony Stan mad we'll shine light on this guy. This is what a typical Sony Stan looks like...

Now that is a stock photo of Gizmo Duck, but let me show you what Shawn layden a former Sony exec says about gamepass...

Layden, who last year called overall AAA development “not sustainable” and suggested that game length and pricing may have to be adjusted to combat ballooning game budgets, echoed Ryan’s sentiment.

“It’s very hard to launch a $120m game on a subscription service charging $9.99 a month,” he said. “You pencil it out, you’re going to have to have 500 million subscribers before you start to recoup your investment.

“That’s why right now you need to take a loss-leading position to try to grow that base. But still, if you have only 250 million consoles out there, you’re not going to get to half a billion subscribers. So how do you circle that square? Nobody has figured that out yet

Uh this nikka can't do basic math and he was high up at Sony
Here's reality tho...

Xbox boss Phil Spencer said last October that the company has no plans to increase the price of the service.

“We like the value that Game Pass is today and from a business model it’s completely sustainable the way it is,” he told the Dropped Frames podcast.

UPDATE: During Microsoft’s quarterly earnings call on Tuesday, CEO Satya Nadella claimed Xbox Games Pass is “growing rapidly”, with subscribers playing approximately 40 percent more games and spending 50 percent more than non-members.

Why do Sony gamers mirror their execs intelligence? Cuz they all say the same things

 

[Pressure]

nikka said they need to make billions a month to lunch a 120m dollar game.

 

[Styles]

Don’t think his math was THAT off. Game pass has over 300 games. If you split that evenly that would be 16 million a month of revenue per game. It would take 10 months before you break even. Now obviously not each game would benefit the same profit. I don’t know exactly how the split would work but if you also include Microsoft’s profit I can’t see any of these developers making much more than 10m-15m a month even at 500 million subscribers.

 

[ColdSlither]

What exactly did he say that was wrong? What makes Game Pass, a subscription service, different from Netflix? Netflix, which damn near everyone on the planet has, but yet it stays in the red. That's right, Microsoft has deep pockets so they can subsidize their losses. Which is going to be the only way it can stay a such a great deal. Games also aren't on there forever. So yes Game Pass subscribers will spend more because they're likely to also purchase the game.

 

[Gizmo_Duck]

Don’t ever doubt Shawn Layden the semigod

 

[Dorian Breh]

@PS5 there's an Xbox Summer Sale going on right now. Do GP subscribers get a FURTHER 20% discount over and above the summer sale prices?

 

[PS5 Pro]

Don’t think his math was THAT off. Game pass has over 300 games. If you split that evenly that would be 16 million a month of revenue per game. It would take 10 months before you break even. Now obviously not each game would benefit the same profit. I don’t know exactly how the split would work but if you also include Microsoft’s profit I can’t see any of these developers making much more than 10m-15m a month even at 500 million subscribers.

First off, that's not how gamepass works so why are you commenting on it if you have no idea whatsoever how it works?

A person that does that probably has math skills on par with a Shawn layden
Gamepass is currently at 25 million subscribers and it's growing daily. Let's say only 20 million so I don't over project the current state of affairs

What is 20 million x 1 ($1) = 20 million
Now what is 20 million x10? = 200 million
So by basic math a 120 million dollar game at today's scale gets paid off in 2½ weeks.

Now I get it, you mentioned other games. He didn't, but ok. Now unless they releasing and responsible for 120m titles every month (nobody does that) then they have 80 million extra and another 200 million ready to go next month... and repeat.

Now forget me and forget simple mathematics, developers left and right have echoed how business has been booming. I buy more games now because of gamepass, that is a fact that extends beyond just me, statistics back that up so ...

What exactly did he say that was wrong? What makes Game Pass, a subscription service, different from Netflix? Netflix, which damn near everyone on the planet has, but yet it stays in the red. That's right, Microsoft has deep pockets so they can subsidize their losses. Which is going to be the only way it can stay a such a great deal. Games also aren't on there forever. So yes Game Pass subscribers will spend more because they're likely to also purchase the game.

I hear you but with Netflix in the red, why would they now move into the videogame space if there's no money in it you didn't think that one all the way thru but I hear you and it's easy to assume....

@PS5 there's an Xbox Summer Sale going on right now. Do GP subscribers get a FURTHER 20% discount over and above the summer sale prices?

These sales are not really sales, there's never not a sale. Games be on sale then next week it's a different sale and you'll find the same games. Only games that don't go on sale often are indie titles (the great ones)

Call of duty is cheaper than ever at the moment.

I'm in between re-up on gold so I'm seeing non gold prices but... but the majority of the games on sale at the moment don't require gold. Only the deals with gold games require gold and that list is trash this week so, yes, eat if you don't have gold at the moment. I doubt there's a bigger discount for gold subscribers in the main sale. I also don't believe gold will be around much longer and them catering this sale to non gold members is new territory already so the writing is on the wall.

 

[ColdSlither]

I hear you but with Netflix in the red, why would they now move into the videogame space if there's no money in it you didn't think that one all the way thru but I hear you and it's easy to assume....

I was waiting for you or anyone to say that. I like to leave breadcrumbs to keep the conversation going. Nothing changes and they may still be in the red, because they would still be relying on a set number of subscribers. I'm sure that this is why on top of the monthly fee, games still have to be purchased on Stadia. It's not like Disney who was relying on movies making a billion dollars in the theater, and then make that extra money from Disney+ subscribers, on top of their theme parks and cruises. Or in the case of Amazon, they have Amazon Prime subscribers, who are also buying products on Amazon, on top of AWS. Where is that for Netflix? That's something Microsoft can eat, because their operating system and the Office suite is on the majority of PCs in the world, on top of government and private company contracts and cloud services. They'll make money but are they going to profit?

 

[PS5 Pro]

I was waiting for you or anyone to say that. I like to leave breadcrumbs to keep the conversation going. Nothing changes and they may still be in the red, because they would still be relying on a set number of subscribers. I'm sure that this is why on top of the monthly fee, games still have to be purchased on Stadia. It's not like Disney who was relying on movies making a billion dollars in the theater, and then make that extra money from Disney+ subscribers, on top of their theme parks and cruises. Or in the case of Amazon, they have Amazon Prime subscribers, who are also buying products on Amazon, on top of AWS. Where is that for Netflix? That's something Microsoft can eat, because their operating system and the Office suite is on the majority of PCs in the world, on top of government and private company contracts and cloud services. They'll make money but are they going to profit?

You think they not
They sure as hell not doing this for philanthropy reasons

 

[Fatboi1]

 

[King Sun]

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

 

[TripleAgent]

What exactly did he say that was wrong? What makes Game Pass, a subscription service, different from Netflix? Netflix, which damn near everyone on the planet has, but yet it stays in the red. That's right, Microsoft has deep pockets so they can subsidize their losses. Which is going to be the only way it can stay a such a great deal. Games also aren't on there forever. So yes Game Pass subscribers will spend more because they're likely to also purchase the game.

Netflix titles don't get to sell DLC...

 

[Pressure]

Netflix titles don't get to sell DLC...

Exactly. I was on flight simulator with my homies yesterday and the first thing three of them did was cop the fighter jet for 20 dollars.

 

[The Mad Titan]