Sony was right to turn down EA

[duncanthetall]

@MeachTheMonster

I'm not even gonna respond to your post in the other thread. Imma just point at this long winded nikka above me and let ya'll duke it out

 

[MeachTheMonster]

I actually would rather not get into personal attacks and would rather help you, because this is beyond console wars.

google "the value of money" and read up on it.

The long and short of it, (and any financial adviser could tell you this) is that you need to make your money work for you, not someone else. Prepaying is never going to get you value you for your money, it's giving another company, (or grocer, in your case) money to play with.

It's why you should always aim to pay money at tax time, rather than get a refund.
It's why you shouldn't have a savings account if you have any debt whatsoever.

So for you, do you have student loans? credit card debt? a car payment? a mortgage?
Let's say you have a car payment with an outstanding balance of 1000$, to use nice round numbers. If you're paying (let's be generous) 6% interest on that... your annual interest on that car is going to be 60$. Extrapolate that over all of your debt, spread out across (what im assuming is more money, and higher interest rates), and you're paying out a lot of money to interest.

These companies then come out with offers that make it seem like youre saving money... "hey if i subscribe to EA upfront, ill save 50-100$ this year!" Great deal, right? wrong. Because if you take, even that 30$, and pay it towards a credit card you owe money on, its going to lower the balance, and thus the amount youre paying interest on. But you need to do that with all your money all the time for it to make a difference.

Issues like this are tricky. Are you fiscally responsible enough for this EA deal to be worth it? maybe. a certain percentage of individuals will be. But the vast vast vast majority of American adults can not manage their money and do not understand the value of money. That is why scams like this always work. EA collects hundreds of millions of dollars from consumers too stupid to realize what theyre doing. EA could take that money and put it in a damn savings account and even at return rates of .0003% make more money than any of us will see in a lifetime.

You're essentially giving out an interest free corporate loan. You're paying EA upfront to rent video games that you will never own. Why?

The reason why it's different than netflix or gamefly is because EA is making a product, not offering a service. And the valuation of an EA product is (should) be based on sales. So if they put out Madden 18, and it's the same engine as Madden 15, and they ask 60$ and no one buys it, that garbage is going to be 10$ value bin status before preseason is even over. But in this case, there is no pressure on them as a developer to innovate and make better games. People are paying upfront, EA can do whatever they want. You having a netflix or gamefly account doesnt dictate the quality of future itterations of, let's say, final fantasy. Thats up to Squenix to say "damn, people are getting sick of lightening, maybe ff13-3 isn't a good idea".

Come on man, you must be understanding this?

You type a lot but you really have no clue what your talking about

People rent things everyday B, and the EA plan is a very reasonable price compared to what it costs to purchase the games.

Comparing games to cars and food is so far off base that I won't even entertain your comparison.

And the bolded is describing kickstarter(which has been very successful by the way) not this EA plan

 

[dBoyFresh*212]

Straight up, you're a f*cking idiot if you subscribe to this, I don't care if you own a playstation, xbox, wii, or a goddamn original gameboy.

This is a terrible business model that you should by no means be participating in: you're prepaying for a product that can only improve based on consumer response, thereby giving EA a free pass to never improve their games, and by proxy, hold onto their licenses (NFL) forever.

This is like saying, "damn, I really liked that Stephen King book I just read, I think I'm going to pay Stephen King 5$ a month to have access to his books." OK. Retard. What if his next book sucks. What if he just changes the names of his characters from book 1 to book 2. In a free market, no one would buy it, and it would be 1$ status in a week, and he would be forced to innovate and write a better book.

Now take that model and apply it to the notoriously lazy EA. You like Madden 15? I hope so, because that's all you're going to be playing for the next 5 years. Where's the incentive for EA to ever innovate if theyre getting their money up front??

You wouldn't pay your rent 6 months in advance, because if your stove breaks, what's the impetus for the landlord to come fix it?? There is none. EA is going to have no reason whatsoever to improve on their games if they can look at their forecast in January and see subscriptions are holding steady--repackage Madden 15 as Madden 17, design a cool graphic for the "EA Storefront", tell you that it's FREE! for EA subscribers, and you think you're getting a good deal.

Video games are literally the worst medium for such a subscription based plan.. I hope those with xboxes stay away from this in droves, because if this model catches on, say goodbye to innovation and progress in gaming.

Can't believe there are gamers excited to pay out to EA on some "I'm loyal, they deserve this "

Very well said kind sir. Too bad this will go over most peoples head here

 

[lutha]

sony only turned them down cause it would eat into psnow, no other reason

 

[MightyHealthy]

Very well said kind sir. Too bad this will go over most peoples head here

Over people's heads?

No, what's gone over people's heads is this:

"EA Access" is "EA Season Ticket" with even more value, except it's exclusive to Xbox this generation.

So we have Sony stans and wannabe economists acting like 2.50 a month is the end of the gaming world as we know it.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

you do realize you can cancel your subscription right?

Exactly! this nikka is stupid as fukk. Damn near all successful models of digital consumption involve paying monthly for a consistent service. Netflix, Pandora, Spotify, Hulu, and a host of other digital media outlets employ this method to varying degrees of success. EA is simply trying to bring the concept to gaming. For those that buy Madden every year, this would be an excellent value. To those that could care less about sports, this would be not so useful.

The fact of the matter is those Sony stans popooing this concept proposed by EA, which is a far greater value than the highway robbery that is Playstation Now (), need to go ahead and off themselves.

LMAO at the idea of paying $3.99 to play a game for three hours! I can't blame them either because they know that the clown ass gamers would literally not sleep until they finished the game in as quick a time as possible.

Sony fans need to go ahead and take this L!

 

[Zebruh]

its just another option. i see nothing wrong with having the option.

Pretty much how I see it.

And like someone else said, if they buy EA package expecting CoD...that's THEIR fault.

 

[Hiphoplives4eva]

I actually would rather not get into personal attacks and would rather help you, because this is beyond console wars.

google "the value of money" and read up on it.

The long and short of it, (and any financial adviser could tell you this) is that you need to make your money work for you, not someone else. Prepaying is never going to get you value you for your money, it's giving another company, (or grocer, in your case) money to play with.

It's why you should always aim to pay money at tax time, rather than get a refund.
It's why you shouldn't have a savings account if you have any debt whatsoever.

So for you, do you have student loans? credit card debt? a car payment? a mortgage?
Let's say you have a car payment with an outstanding balance of 1000$, to use nice round numbers. If you're paying (let's be generous) 6% interest on that... your annual interest on that car is going to be 60$. Extrapolate that over all of your debt, spread out across (what im assuming is more money, and higher interest rates), and you're paying out a lot of money to interest.

These companies then come out with offers that make it seem like youre saving money... "hey if i subscribe to EA upfront, ill save 50-100$ this year!" Great deal, right? wrong. Because if you take, even that 30$, and pay it towards a credit card you owe money on, its going to lower the balance, and thus the amount youre paying interest on. But you need to do that with all your money all the time for it to make a difference.

Issues like this are tricky. Are you fiscally responsible enough for this EA deal to be worth it? maybe. a certain percentage of individuals will be. But the vast vast vast majority of American adults can not manage their money and do not understand the value of money. That is why scams like this always work. EA collects hundreds of millions of dollars from consumers too stupid to realize what theyre doing. EA could take that money and put it in a damn savings account and even at return rates of .0003% make more money than any of us will see in a lifetime.

You're essentially giving out an interest free corporate loan. You're paying EA upfront to rent video games that you will never own. Why?

The reason why it's different than netflix or gamefly is because EA is making a product, not offering a service. And the valuation of an EA product is (should) be based on sales. So if they put out Madden 18, and it's the same engine as Madden 15, and they ask 60$ and no one buys it, that garbage is going to be 10$ value bin status before preseason is even over. But in this case, there is no pressure on them as a developer to innovate and make better games. People are paying upfront, EA can do whatever they want. You having a netflix or gamefly account doesnt dictate the quality of future itterations of, let's say, final fantasy. Thats up to Squenix to say "damn, people are getting sick of lightening, maybe ff13-3 isn't a good idea".

Come on man, you must be understanding this?

You do realize YOU DO NOT OWN THE RIGHTS TO A GAME SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT IT AT RETAIL.

All you own is a fukking disc. The rights to the game are still retained by the manufacturer. The ONLY thing you have the right to do is play or not play the game. The MAIN benefit to having hard copies of games is to be able to store the game on your own terms, play it whenever you like, or SELL or SHARE the game to whomever you like. Some people dont give a fukk about doing any of that and would likely pay a reduced price to simply RENT the game. For some gamers this is an effective way to play the games they like without the high upfront costs associated with buying the games at retail.

I hope you're not talking all this shyt about this, but on the flip side subscribing to Spotify, Netflix, HULU, or any other of the myriad of pay per month digital media programs out there.

 

[Loose]

I actually would rather not get into personal attacks and would rather help you, because this is beyond console wars.

google "the value of money" and read up on it.

The long and short of it, (and any financial adviser could tell you this) is that you need to make your money work for you, not someone else. Prepaying is never going to get you value you for your money, it's giving another company, (or grocer, in your case) money to play with.

It's why you should always aim to pay money at tax time, rather than get a refund.
It's why you shouldn't have a savings account if you have any debt whatsoever.

So for you, do you have student loans? credit card debt? a car payment? a mortgage?
Let's say you have a car payment with an outstanding balance of 1000$, to use nice round numbers. If you're paying (let's be generous) 6% interest on that... your annual interest on that car is going to be 60$. Extrapolate that over all of your debt, spread out across (what im assuming is more money, and higher interest rates), and you're paying out a lot of money to interest.

These companies then come out with offers that make it seem like youre saving money... "hey if i subscribe to EA upfront, ill save 50-100$ this year!" Great deal, right? wrong. Because if you take, even that 30$, and pay it towards a credit card you owe money on, its going to lower the balance, and thus the amount youre paying interest on. But you need to do that with all your money all the time for it to make a difference.

Issues like this are tricky. Are you fiscally responsible enough for this EA deal to be worth it? maybe. a certain percentage of individuals will be. But the vast vast vast majority of American adults can not manage their money and do not understand the value of money. That is why scams like this always work. EA collects hundreds of millions of dollars from consumers too stupid to realize what theyre doing. EA could take that money and put it in a damn savings account and even at return rates of .0003% make more money than any of us will see in a lifetime.

You're essentially giving out an interest free corporate loan. You're paying EA upfront to rent video games that you will never own. Why?

The reason why it's different than netflix or gamefly is because EA is making a product, not offering a service. And the valuation of an EA product is (should) be based on sales. So if they put out Madden 18, and it's the same engine as Madden 15, and they ask 60$ and no one buys it, that garbage is going to be 10$ value bin status before preseason is even over. But in this case, there is no pressure on them as a developer to innovate and make better games. People are paying upfront, EA can do whatever they want. You having a netflix or gamefly account doesnt dictate the quality of future itterations of, let's say, final fantasy. Thats up to Squenix to say "damn, people are getting sick of lightening, maybe ff13-3 isn't a good idea".

Come on man, you must be understanding this?

Breh I'm not reading all this garbage

 

[Doomsday]

Renting/Leasing is the new era of making money.

And if you're a consumer, no vaseline.

 

[DjMe]

The MAIN benefit to having hard copies of games is to be able to store the game on your own terms, play it whenever you like, or SELL or SHARE the game to whomever you like. Some people dont give a fukk about doing any of that

if that's what i'm arguing against, i give up. what's the point of having a discussion?

damn, EA won.

 

[DjMe]

Exactly! this nikka is stupid as fukk. Damn near all successful models of digital consumption involve paying monthly for a consistent service. Netflix, Pandora, Spotify, Hulu, and a host of other digital media outlets employ this method to varying degrees of success. EA is simply trying to bring the concept to gaming. For those that buy Madden every year, this would be an excellent value. To those that could care less about sports, this would be not so useful.

The fact of the matter is those Sony stans popooing this concept proposed by EA, which is a far greater value than the highway robbery that is Playstation Now (), need to go ahead and off themselves.

LMAO at the idea of paying $3.99 to play a game for three hours! I can't blame them either because they know that the clown ass gamers would literally not sleep until they finished the game in as quick a time as possible.

Sony fans need to go ahead and take this L!

10 to 20 years from now, when "gamers" are paying 100$ a month for the right to rent Madden 2025 for a week, you can thank EA for "bringing this concept to gaming." This is how monopolies start... price it low, get everyone subscribing to your service, phase out the indie studios that can't compete, raise the prices.

Whatever man. I'm obviously quite a bit smarter than you, not being arrogant, I just am. I could debate circles around you about why you're corporate America's bottom b*tch, but I won't. Just know that I'm right, you're wrong, and consider my roll in the conversation over--no amount of drake emoticons will bring me back into this debate. It's just sad to see gaming go down this path, and all under the auspice of a console war, as if Sony or Microsoft is going to win or lose this.

The consumers lose, the massive publishers win, and the console makers get their slice of the pie too.

 

[Jax]

$auny stans looking salty over this

I can sell FIFA 14 for $40 and pretty much have my EA subscription paid for a whole year

I thinks not, I thinks not.


EA right now:

You type a lot but you really have no clue what your talking about

People rent things everyday B, and the EA plan is a very reasonable price compared to what it costs to purchase the games.

Comparing games to cars and food is so far off base that I won't even entertain your comparison.

And the bolded is describing kickstarter(which has been very successful by the way) not this EA plan

 

[winb83]

Here is a good read from forbes about why Sony is right for turning down EAs streaming plan. Basically they say that if Sony allowed it and it was successful then other publishers would soon follow and this would mean the end of physical discs. Also tech and business problems. Chek it out:

That's a pretty slippery slope they're talking about going down. What it would do is effectively destroy one of the greatest selling points of Playstation Plus because when all other other publishers have their own service with free digital games nobody would want Sony offering those games on Playstation Plus.

 

[lutha]

That's a pretty slippery slope they're talking about going down. What it would do is effectively destroy one of the greatest selling points of Playstation Plus because when all other other publishers have their own service with free digital games nobody would want Sony offering those games on Playstation Plus.

not true, it does nothing to ps+...devs would still give games away free through ps+...they get paid to do so...that's easy money....also, you need ps+ to play against others, so people would get it just for that.....the reason sony turned it down is cause it would hurt ps now...ps now is essentially the same thing as what ea is trying to launch...hell, ea got the idea from ps now lol....anyway, offering an option that directly competes against ps now would be bad business for sony, that's why they said no....