Sorry Jay, I'm Not Buying It

[S.W.A.G.]

I fukks with Jay, but I'm not stupid. He's trying to co-opt the press on Tidal and turn it into a Big Man vs. Little man, underdog, black vs. white type of rap feud. He's trying to politic the narrative and make it about the evil white corporation vs. the poor black hustler from Marcy trying to fight the system.

No Jay. You got caught being greedy and out of touch. You don't get to "come home" and make it a hip-hop thing. You don't get to trot Sigel out on stage under the guise of being that relatable dude that's about us.

This ain't about slavery, this ain't about Mike Brown, you don't get to make a martyr of yourself by mentioning those things when it's convenient. The nerve of using those terms while promoting a service that's all about charging more of my hard earned money to provide an inferior product and line your pockets.

You compete with Spotify by providing a better service or a cheaper service, like anything else in the market.

Exactly.

Bad business decisions were made by him and his business team. There are conflicting messages all over the place here. His mission seemed to be about providing a better outlet of music for artists and promoted this to consumers - when this is a consumer product, this is of little relevancy.

He then at the same time tried to promote a higher quality product (lossless format) going in direct competition with Spotify etc at a higher price-point. He misread his audience; people are still new to paying for music and would not want to fork out any more for what many feel is already a quality service they are being provided by Spotify.

He could have done the following:
- Undercut or match Spotify with a superior service (lossless) at $10 or less
- Provide better perks for users, i.e. Tidal roster provide a calendar of exclusive material every week (e.g. beyonce week, daft punk week etc).

Instead he has rushed this and he resulted to hip hop disses to billion dollar companies which on the whole changed music for the better. This isn't hip hop. He's going against highly intellectual businessmen, Stanford grads and tech entrepeuners; seems like he's hired very poorly too...

 

[Harry B]

Exactly.

Bad business decisions were made by him and his business team. There are conflicting messages all over the place here. His mission seemed to be about providing a better outlet of music for artists and promoted this to consumers - when this is a consumer product, this is of little relevancy.

He then at the same time tried to promote a higher quality product (lossless format) going in direct competition with Spotify etc at a higher price-point. He misread his audience; people are still new to paying for music and would not want to fork out any more for what many feel is already a quality service they are being provided by Spotify.

He could have done the following:
- Undercut or match Spotify with a superior service (lossless) at $10 or less
- Provide better perks for users, i.e. Tidal roster provide a calendar of exclusive material every week (e.g. beyonce week, daft punk week etc).

Instead he has rushed this and he resulted to hip hop disses to billion dollar companies which on the whole changed music for the better. This isn't hip hop. He's going against highly intellectual businessmen, Stanford grads and tech entrepeuners; seems like he's hired very poorly too...

Where did he diss any billion dollar company?

By saying that Spotify is worth $9 billion and no one is mentioning it? nikkas must be really sensitive if that's what they label a diss.

Personally I shytted on Steve Jobs too for talking all that BS he did in his presentations and I shytted on Jay for his presentation.
But the media only shytted on Jay for being money hungry, telling people not to support rich artists etc. They never did that when Steve Jobs was out talking all that fantasy shyt. But then again, no one really cares about the motives of CEOs, they care about their products. Jay should understand that he's a celebrity and CEO, he can't move like a CEO and not expect to get treated as an artist.

 

[call_me_step_daddy]

only a true jigga stan would view that concert for more than what it was, which was an attempt to push his product..nothing more,nothing less.

im not knockin his hustle, but just know thats all it is: a hustle.

 

[Harry B]

only a true jigga stan would view that concert for more than what it was, which was an attempt to push his product..nothing more,nothing less.

im not knockin his hustle, but just know thats all it is: a hustle.

It was most definitely a concert to repair the weak launch, who the fukk cares though.
The concert was dope, which is all that matters to the fans of the artists.

 

[No1]

I fukks with Jay, but I'm not stupid. He's trying to co-opt the press on Tidal and turn it into a Big Man vs. Little man, underdog, black vs. white type of rap feud. He's trying to politic the narrative and make it about the evil white corporation vs. the poor black hustler from Marcy trying to fight the system.

No Jay. You got caught being greedy and out of touch. You don't get to "come home" and make it a hip-hop thing. You don't get to trot Sigel out on stage under the guise of being that relatable dude that's about us.

This ain't about slavery, this ain't about Mike Brown, you don't get to make a martyr of yourself by mentioning those things when it's convenient. The nerve of using those terms while promoting a service that's all about charging more of my hard earned money to provide an inferior product and line your pockets.

You compete with Spotify by providing a better service or a cheaper service, like anything else in the market.

Let me ask anyone who dapped this up a question, do you guys read magazines a lot? Jay Z's point was the same one Jack White and deadMau5 made...

 

[S.W.A.G.]

Where did he diss any billion dollar company?

By saying that Spotify is worth $9 billion and no one is mentioning it? nikkas must be really sensitive if that's what they label a diss.

Personally I shytted on Steve Jobs too for talking all that BS he did in his presentations and I shytted on Jay for his presentation.
But the media only shytted on Jay for being money hungry, telling people not to support rich artists etc. They never did that when Steve Jobs was out talking all that fantasy shyt. But then again, no one really cares about the motives of CEOs, they care about their products. Jay should understand that he's a celebrity and CEO, he can't move like a CEO and not expect to get treated as an artist.

He dissed Youtube owned by Google, agree with your other points though.

Puffy's role is so clearly differentiated and he's obviously been the most successful. I know you have to use your public profile to sell your products - I don't think its an easy balancing act....

 

[Yagirlcheatinonus]

 

[eastside313]

Where did he diss any billion dollar company?

By saying that Spotify is worth $9 billion and no one is mentioning it? nikkas must be really sensitive if that's what they label a diss.

Personally I shytted on Steve Jobs too for talking all that BS he did in his presentations and I shytted on Jay for his presentation.
But the media only shytted on Jay for being money hungry, telling people not to support rich artists etc. They never did that when Steve Jobs was out talking all that fantasy shyt. But then again, no one really cares about the motives of CEOs, they care about their products. Jay should understand that he's a celebrity and CEO, he can't move like a CEO and not expect to get treated as an artist.

when did that happen?

 

[Suicide King]

He's been on this since Blueprint, when he rocked that Che Guevara shirt on stage with The Roots.

At this point I think only hipsters are eating this up.

 

[bigbadbossup2012]

Jay's doing what he supposed to do

 

[neverchipsin4weed]

Maybe Jay's product is not the best. Probably its going to fail.

But at least his efforts have got the conversation started on what is a real problem - compensation for artists in this relatively new business of music streaming.

Chances are, artists all over are going to be better off because of this effort. Spotify will probably have to fork out a little bit more cash to artists because of this. And that alone is doing more for a cause than what 99% of other artists are doing today.

 

[up in here]

I don't like the "race card" used unnecessarily but it does seem like some of the negative press toward Jay has been well timed and calculated during this tidal wave...(don't ask me how)

Regardless of how the business model needs to be tweaked (and it does) I don't think it's far fetched to say that he's competing with companies that really don't want to share the market with anybody else, especially somebody black.

Even if it's exaggerated it's a good spin on some of the L's he's taken as of recent and the way he delivered it should have some positive effect. These corporate cacs wouldn't hesitate to do the same.

nah breh, im gonna ask you how. first, how you gonna throw out "tidal wave" and think you the first person to come up with that and try give yaself props for it? then, how you gonna use the "dont ask me how" like it was some creative triple entendre when its the most basic play on words ever? then how you gonna be like ?

how breh?

 

[Baracka Flocka Flame]

"Shut up Jay-Z. This freestyle that's been heavily circulating this weekend is basically part of his guilt campaign. He wants our money so bad that now he wants to make us feel bad for not supporting him, even though that 400M he sits on is in result of blacks supporting him and his other plentiful ventures that he's produced over the past (almost) 20 years....We need more celebs to stand up and be vocal about our cultural and community issues.....not about how we aren't buying a 12.99 package to listen to prettier sounding radio. Nowww what would be awesome if Tidal was a subscription service connecting and introducing it's users to a variety of black music worldwide...giving the chance for our genres and artists to thrive again since sales in black music has been steadily declining over the past decade....NOW that is when I would possibly give Jay-Z's "black ppl don't support me" speech a chance, but for this nah.......especially when Miss Madonna, a legendary appropriator herself was standing on the stage with him at his little press conference.....this platform wasn't made for US....so he doesn't need to direct his rant to US. This is NOT a BLACK business that was meant to serve BLACK People. So he can keep that freestyle......" Taken from a guy off facebook. Makes solid points.

part 2
Also to add to my last point.....Jay Z finally speaks up on the recent black cultural issues...wow....slow clap.......so Black lives all the sudden matter in your world when you want to condemn us within the same bar for not giving you money. ‪#‎FOH‬. You better go get Taylor Swift fans to give you some money....

 

[up in here]

Nobody has ever expected jay to be political

It's corny that he is trying to be now

basically this

 

[Bald Head Ba$tard]

all this emotion over a product you don't want

This thread should've been tossed in the Coli's bushes after this post.