Sounds like there's a terrorist attack in Paris

[Type Username Here]

Listening to mainstream media's commentary on these terrorist attacks is just inane.

"These senseless attacks..." "Why do they do this?" etc. etc.

It's not unclear why they do this bullshyt and they openly say it

Syria has been destroyed by the West. Iraq, too. The West supported elements that morphed into ISIS and created the conditions for it to prosper. You won't live in peace when destroying entire societies... there will be blowback. Chaos travels.

Then why can't we say that Syria being destroyed by the West is blowback to Islamic expansion during the Ottoman Empire, or prior to that when the caliphates spread to Africa or India or into Europe. Or how about lay some of the blame on this Sunni vs Shia proxy war that is going on?

Their chickens don't come home to roost?

 

[BocaRear]

I'll never understand how terrorists think killing 100 something innocent people helps their cause...

Maybe they're not trying to help their cause... :JDNc00n:

 

[JahFocus CS]

Then why can't we say that Syria being destroyed by the West is blowback to Islamic expansion during the Ottoman Empire, or prior to that when the caliphates spread to Africa or India or into Europe. Or how about lay some of the blame on this Sunni vs Shia proxy war that is going on?

Their chickens don't come home to roost?

It would make no sense to say "Syria being destroyed by the West is blowback to Islamic expansion during the Ottoman Empire" because that is not an example of blowback. Blowback is unintended negative consequences of a political action/policy. If Turkey (Ottoman Empire) began facing attacks from other countries in the region back in the 1800s/early 1900s due to colonial policies, then maybe that would fit here... but that's irrelevant.

The West and the Gulf states in particular have been stoking radical Wahhabist elements for decades. Capital has tried to wield Wahhabism as a weapon for decades, first against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, now to try to discipline Iran. The Sunni/Shia proxy war has elements of Saudi Arabian/Iranian rivalry, sure, but it is exacerbated by the West as well.

Aren't you supposed to be a "socialist" @Type Username Here? Your analysis should be broader than what is suggested in your post.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Capital has created a situation in the region of hopelessness and chaos, which has birthed one of the most reactionary forces in modern history.

Neither capitalism nor Wahhabist jihadism offer a way forward for humanity... especially the people of the Middle East.

 

[newarkhiphop]

Their chickens don't come home to roost?

They do all the time, there tons of vids of isis executing dozen / hundreds of innocent Muslims across Iraq and Syria

 

[Liu Kang]

It's happened before, it's not unprecedented. The governments of the world have time and time again allowed ,or sometimes downright created, attacks in order to drag their country to war;please refer to the Gulf Of Tonkin. Just look at this video from this influential lobbyist.



Once you understand the state of mind that the elites have, you would understand that they are willing to do anything to meet their objectives. I said this before in another thread, the government are capable of anything.

If the NSA and the French secret service are capable of monitoring all our activities, then why were they not apprehended? Are we giving away our privacy for no reason if they can't even stop terrorist attacks? And why were none of the alleged terrorists taken alive? Why were they all killed?

It isn't a huge leap of faith to assume that the powers that be benefit from this attack and therefore allowed it to happen or even helped it happen considering the political climate of the world right now. They are effectively killing two birds with one stone; getting troops into Syria to counter Russia, fighting "Isis" and limiting the refugee crisis by shutting down all borders.

Also France are part of NATO, so since shyt has hit the fan the U.S. And the UK and the rest of Europe can finally legitimately put troops into Syria to fight Assad.

Of course, it's easier to think in a conspiracy when reason will simply tell you that it is impossible to stop 100% of terror attacks.

France is not a police state (well not yet) therefore its manpower when it comes to police work is very limited. Since last January, France is almost at max capacity when it comes to surveillance and doesn't have much more room to increase its capacity to watch its citizens and prevent terror acts. That single attack couldn't be prevented but numerous were in the last few months and many individuals were arrested and are being watched. But it always comes to same issue which is limited personnel. You can't increase the day for it to be more than 24h, you can't have more police if nobody wants to do the work, you can't have unlimited police powers in a democracy therefore, it is both structurally and logically impossible to watch everybody (and prevent every attacks). Even totalitarian states fail to prevent terror attacks (from guerillas, rebels or whatever) on their own soil so what makes you think that a democracy could do a better job at this ? Considering democracies allow more freedom to its enemies ?

And why are terrorists not taken alive ? Is this a serious question ?
A man who is willing to die for his cause to the point where he will blow himself up if necessary will never be taken alive because it is not possible. We have unedited footage of Amedy Coulibaly rushing out of the Kosher store guns blazing knowing damn well there were hundreds of policemen and special forces ready to take him out ! Refusing to surrender, refusing to negotiate, refusing any other way out but death. One needs to understand that terrorists' missions are to take lives until theirs is taken, simple. Those are suicide missions and this indeed defies logic but that's what makes them so dangerous to the West. And realistically, taking a terrorist alive in a civilian area is even more mission impossible because caring about a terrorist' well being necessarily puts innocent lives at risk while taking him out as quickly possible reduces said risk. No population will ever accept for a terrorist to be taken alive if that means that the negotiation time gives him the possibility to take any more innocent lives.

 

[noodles]

The Devil is a liar.. #Paris

Don't be fooled, they did this for 9/11 too...

 

[JahFocus CS]

1. Stop funding ISIS and Wahhabist elements
2. Stop bombing Syria and Iraq
3. Cut aid to the Gulf states until they renounce Wahhabist jihadism and stop providing funds and arms to those elements in the region

that's what would be done if they really were interested in putting an end to this.

But they'll just use it as an opportunity to foment more war and destruction.

 

[joeychizzle]

I think we need a race war, and see who comes out on top

*loads up the AK*

No we motherfukking don't. People already despise each other enough as it is. It is high time we had some unity and solidarity among our own fukking species, instead of seeking to further drive each other apart. We CANNOT be the generation that tore mankind apart.

 

[The_King_of_Everything]

Maybe they're not trying to help their cause... :JDNc00n:

 

[NvrCMyNut]

Religion of peace again huh? I've posted that same comment about 50 times on this forum, how ppl can still bury their head in the sand about this cult is beyond me. Brainwashing is real

 

[Type Username Here]

It would make no sense to say "Syria being destroyed by the West is blowback to Islamic expansion during the Ottoman Empire" because that is not an example of blowback. Blowback is unintended negative consequences of a political action/policy. If Turkey (Ottoman Empire) began facing attacks from other countries in the region back in the 1800s/early 1900s due to colonial policies, then maybe that would fit here... but that's irrelevant.

The West and the Gulf states in particular have been stoking radical Wahhabist elements for decades. Capital has tried to wield Wahhabism as a weapon for decades, first against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan, now to try to discipline Iran. The Sunni/Shia proxy war has elements of Saudi Arabian/Iranian rivalry, sure, but it is exacerbated by the West as well.

Aren't you supposed to be a "socialist" @Type Username Here? Your analysis should be broader than what is suggested in your post.

Socialism is an economic doctrine. Are you confused friend?

 

[KatieGotAzzHairs]

There is one solution, but it is far worse than dealing with random attacks here and there.

I also fear that it will happen, and the world will suffer even more.

I'm dense/curious, can you explain what that solution is and why you fear it will happen. Merci beaucoup.

 

[Type Username Here]

I'm dense/curious, can you explain what that solution is and why you fear it will happen. Merci beaucoup.

The rise of fascism to defeat fascism except we saw what European xenophobic fascism looks like when it doesn't hold back. It's as evil as evil gets.

 

[Type Username Here]

1. Stop funding ISIS and Wahhabist elements
2. Stop bombing Syria and Iraq
3. Cut aid to the Gulf states until they renounce Wahhabist jihadism and stop providing funds and arms to those elements in the region

that's what would be done if they really were interested in putting an end to this.

But they'll just use it as an opportunity to foment more war and destruction.

By the way, I agree with everything you laid out here. I would also add that we should rescind all funds to Israel, Egypt and Pakistan as well.