Spin: Why don't countries accept Black Americans as Refugees?

[Black Magisterialness]

The real question is will Black Americans leave en mass if offered refugee status? The US is a 1st world country most Americans Black or white ain't willing to live all that luxury behind and go start all over again in a different country.

If its to France, Nigeria, Ghana, Sweden, Holland or South Korea...i'd probably go.

 

[RadaMillz]

Everybody is trying to get to America for a better life and opportunity not the other way around breh, I know this will sound corny but despite all the problems and racism we face here, you still have a chance at improving your life. In other parts of the world, it's damn near impossible to get a job unless you know someone that knows someone, even then, you are at the mercy of whomever is your boss and most are not doing favors unless they gets something in return.

I know this beautiful kenyan girl that worked for this NGO company based there, she did a great job and when her contract expired, her boss basically said you gotta let me hit or marry me in order to renew it. She left crying but that is unfortunately the reality in 3rd world countries.

 

[CopiousX]

A real first world country doesn't have the level of poverty,crumbling infrastructure and inequality that exist in America
America is just a third world country rocking a louis vuitton belt, it's just packaging

Show me anywhere in Norway,finland,netherlands etc (the real first world countries) that looks like these

the infrastructure in America is beyond embarrassing, overwhelming majority of rural towns in america don't even have internet access ffs, rundown/underfunded public schools,bad roads,crumbling railway infrastructure (majority of the real first world countries run exclusively modern high speed rail while america still uses outdated rundown trains),rural and ghetto areas with extreme poverty etc. just because you have a large GDP and plenty of billionaires and fortune 500 companies doesn't make you a developed nation.

There are some towns and neighbourhoods in America that have similar living conditions as third world countries and this was according to a detailed report by the united nations and not some made up hyperbolic shyt

breh, I hope you are kidding.


I see running water, electricity, roads, and even waste disposal in every one of those pictures. Hell, that redneck has 20k worth of machinery just sitting on his yard. That doesn’t even mention the many invisible things those pictures can’t show, like a functioning health system, first responders, and a military industrial complex that prevents idiots in the next-country-over or rebels from the mountains/caves/deserts/jungle/etc from raping, pillaging, or robbing your people.


There is absolutely nothing similar in these pictures to a real third world country. We may not be the best first world country, but we sure as fck can’t compare to South Asia, South east Asia,carribean nations, arab states(except uae), or Africa. This convo is like the poorest person in Beverly Hills or SOHO complaining about being broke. Out of the 195 countries in that same UN’s HDI, we are consistently in the top 19. That is the 90th percentile of the entire planet based on a basket of metrics.
Link -> -> Human Development Index - Wikipedia


Like for real, we just saw people hanging off the side of a airplane to get here. And ain’t nobody doing that to get to where they came from.

 

[Hyperion]

Meanwhile, if Canada ever got into a scrum with the US, one of the first things that would come out of their governments mouth is how the US treats its black americans

Wouldn't be a wise play to make though, considering how many unmarked indigenous graves were discovered this year, as well as the fact that Canada doesn't really treat black people that much better. Many Canadians think that we're so much better than America, but in the next sentence, condemn the indigenous people and look at them like savages... When they were here in the first place.

But Canada absolutely would make that play if it came down to it though, absolutely.

 

[CopiousX]

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[UberEatsDriver]

You keep repeating “first world” like war alliances with western bloc nations have anything to do with the conversation.

I live in an apartheid state with an on going state sanctioned genocide. That’s relevant. World war 2 terminology is not relevant

Doesn’t matter what I’m repeating the fact is you live in one of the richest countries in the world and can take a shower in an actual bathroom and have WiFi in your home.


Hit me up when you have to wake up in the morning and take a shower with a hose in your backyard and then proceed to walk miles to school.

I mean we can keep this comparison going?

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Doesn’t matter what I’m repeating the fact is you live in one of the richest countries in the world and can take a shower in an actual bathroom and have WiFi in your home.


Hit me up when you have to wake up in the morning and take a shower with a hose in your backyard and then proceed to walk miles to school.

I mean we can keep this comparison going?

That doesn't address his point at all. You're talking about QOL and extreme poverty while he's talking about anti-black state violence & anti-black societal norms. One does not exclude the other.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Who's political asylum request were denied



Last I checked AA(mostly back in the 60s-70s) were accepted in....

• Ethiopia (Even gave free land and political org to work with)
• Algeria
• Tanzania
  
• Cuba
• China
• Soviet Union
• Ghana (open doors to damn near anyone who wanted in ...mf 's be getting hella cheap/free land to boot)
• etc etc etc.

NOTE:
The way "hugo chavez" was moving down in Venezuela I'm sure he would've housed folks ...though I don't know if anyone would've wanted to live there.

Op didn't do any research.

 

[Amestafuu (Emeritus)]

Breh I walked right up to the Niagara Falls border, and told them my people have been kidnapped for 400 years and I don’t feel safe with all the state sanctioned killings happening against us.

they kept me in holding for 5-6 hours and gave me some Tim Hortons and then dropped me off at Niagara Falls General Hospital for a psych evaluation.

make it so bad, I could have just crossed the border and caught a bus or something to Toronto but I would have been an illegal immigrant and I don’t know how Canada’s laws are with that or how their lockup’s are

shyt is crazy, my shyt was printed on some paper that if you capture the barcode on the pic, it won’t even save on your phone.

Like OP you sound like a drama student.

That's why you were taken to a psych ward. You are being idealistic not realistic. Part of getting asylum means proving that you are under duress. You can't prove that there are sanctioned killings because there is discrimination and death. When you say shyt like that you are going into conspiracy instead of just staying grounded and presenting facts.

It's easy to demonstrate systematic racism and document it. You can't prove that is is "sanctioned". You basically told them the government was trying to kill Black people. That's not the same as saying that racism is killing Black people.

 

[EndGame]

OP seems like the type of person to leave America for good, then return a year later.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

You keep repeating “first world” like war alliances with western bloc nations have anything to do with the conversation.

I live in an apartheid state with an on going state sanctioned genocide. That’s relevant. World war 2 terminology is not relevant

Where the heck do you live?

And what have you done to improve your circumstances?

I hate to say it, but a lot of us have a defeatist mentality, and aren’t actively trying to improve anything. I’m not saying this is easy, and there is a lot of trauma, but it needs to be done, and waiting for someone to rescue us isn’t a pragmatic solution.

Stop acting like these refugees are going to be living in luxury. There are American single mothers making minimum wage in brand new townhouses with low income housing.

 

[MikelArteta]

You do know many refugees are leaving war torn countries , or are being killed for being gay or lesbia etc

 

[CashmereThoughts]

Where the heck do you live?

Brooklyn.

I hate to say it, but a lot of us have a defeatist mentality, and aren’t actively trying to improve anything. I’m not saying this is easy, and there is a lot of trauma, but it needs to be done, and waiting for someone to rescue us isn’t a pragmatic solution.

alot of projection going on here, i didnt say anything about waiting to be saved.

Where the heck do you live?

And what have you done to improve your circumstances?

Im successful Fam. I spoke on systemic inequalities I did not say i was living in squalor.
I dont know why yall keep framing this entire conversation about economics

Stop acting like these refugees are going to be living in luxury.

Where in this thread did I act like that?

 

[FruitOfTheVale]

Where the heck do you live?

And what have you done to improve your circumstances?

I hate to say it, but a lot of us have a defeatist mentality, and aren’t actively trying to improve anything. I’m not saying this is easy, and there is a lot of trauma, but it needs to be done, and waiting for someone to rescue us isn’t a pragmatic solution.

Stop acting like these refugees are going to be living in luxury. There are American single mothers making minimum wage in brand new townhouses with low income housing.

There's nothing defeatist about what he said, America is 100% an apartheid state. Money significantly softens the day-to-day violence an individual experiences from that apartheid but it does not enable that individual to eliminate Apartheid. Money might save you from living in a quite-literally toxic neighborhood plagued by radiation & lead poisoning, overpolicing, aggressive disinvestment & redlining, etc. but it doesn't give you the power to change any of that. Instead, the "option" to make money is supposed to justify the existence of the apartheid as if its a lifestyle change away from being eliminated for everyone, and the ones who don't make money are pathologically disposed to permanent underclass living. That's not how this country works. If it really worked that way, you'd be able to throw money at the problem and fix it. There is a government in place to keep shyt the way it is and rewrite the rules anytime black people as a group have an opportunity to advance. See the GI Bill, see affirmative action, see 1000's of other examples of the government arbitrarily deciding the majority of black people should not be fast-tracked to positive outcomes. Beating the odds is the "norm" of Black success. "Beating the odds" is NOT the norm of the 1% and how they attained their wealth in the first place.

 

[CreepyMcCreeperson]

Im successful Fam. I spoke on systemic inequalities I did not say i was living in squalor.
I dont know why yall keep framing this entire conversation about economics

I’m in the same position. Successful.

That brings a whole different level of racism that doesn’t get discussed.

But economics isn’t the only discussion on this topic.

Refugee status in another country would be WORSE than what’s going on in the hood. Those people are going to be confined to ONE area. We have the freedom to move around, our girls can get an education. The police can be changed if we had the right people in local office. A lot of us don’t even pay attention to local politics, and are convinced that nobody should be elected unless there is a pro black agenda, as if politicians don’t make decisions that have nothing to do with race, but still affect us.

A lot of what happens in our lives is mental. And this constant negative mentality is hurting us.