Stan & Deliver: Why Hip-Hop Fans Hate Talking Nas

[spliz]

that was fast edit to add more lol

im good on nas doing what he wants

just like common did what he wants

or any artist

but notice how you compared nas to jay for no reason like its a auto reflex lol

who gives a fukk what jay does?

we are discussing nas

and this is my point where a large majority of the time due to a battle it just gets raised up over anything he has done since


and to me thats wack

we literally dont do that to any other artist to be honest


so why do we do that to nas?

its kinda dumb

as for the mafioso gimmick it existed long before IWW i mean one could argue g rap started it


biggie was doin it before IWW dropped(single cuts or features)

jay(singles especially when he linked up with big though)


now to be fair could we argue IWW was the first full album with that tone release?

not really as if i recall purple tape dropped what an entire year before IWW and had the mafioso raps(wu gambinos anyone? lol)

but people were doin it and it was a trend that nas jumped on

which is fine

album is still great regardless


just cant give him full credit for the mafioso trend being set is all as it was already being done

and im not sayin this in a bad way its just the facts

nikka u mentioned Jay in ur post and this article mentioned him as well...and G Rap started mafioso shyt as a whole..he didnt start the "trend"..which started years after G Rap..in which G Rap was involved in as well..and included Nas...BEFORE IWW...with Fast Life...Nas was one of the main nikkas who started the trend in the 90s...he didnt jump on it...

 

[NoHalfWay]

Nas didn't just "trend hop" on the mafioso thing. He was basically one of the forerunners that brought that style to mainstream rap culture and popularized it.

G Rap's arguably the godfather of mafioso, and Nas was on his 4,5,6 album in '95 and on Cuban Linx, The Infamous (which isn't a mafioso album) on that Escobar shyt.

 

[vampire xtc]

nikka u mentioned Jay in ur post and this article mentioned him as well...

comprehension my friend


notice how i mention it in regard to the fact that people drag him into it and should stop?

lol

 

[spliz]

Nas didn't just "trend hop" on the mafioso thing. He was basically one of the forerunners that brought that style to mainstream rap culture and popularized it.

G Rap's arguably the godfather of mafioso, and Nas was on his 4,5,6 album in '95 and on Cuban Linx, The Infamous (which isn't a mafioso album) on that Escobar shyt.

fukkin The World Is Your's music video was Scarface themed...and that was on ILLMATIC...lol

 

[CrimsonTider]

Stopped reading at "Nas hasn't Progressed"

Not even going into Stan mode, Nas is one of the most progressive artists Hip Hop has EVER seen. NO MC on a mainstream level has progressed at the level Nas has, lyrically and conceptually.


There's no WAY he'd be here today in 2015 11 albums deep if he wasnt legitimately one of the greatest artists of the genre, and no matter how great Illmatic is, ONE album can't keep you in that mix for 20 years...

Nas isnt mainstream

 

[spliz]

comprehension my friend


notice how i mention it in regard to the fact that people drag him into it and should stop?

lol

reread my post..I edited it for u..

 

[vampire xtc]

Nas didn't just "trend hop" on the mafioso thing. He was basically one of the forerunners that brought that style to mainstream rap culture and popularized it.

G Rap's arguably the godfather of mafioso, and Nas was on his 4,5,6 album in '95 and on Cuban Linx, The Infamous (which isn't a mafioso album) on that Escobar shyt.

oh im not tryin to say he "trend hopped" which sounds terrible lol

but the mafioso thing wasnt created by him

at the time being that i lived through it

it was this thing that started to bubble

then other rappers started doin it more and more

etc...


i wouldnt say nas trend hopped by no means but he kinda ran with it as it was bubblin


my point is he didnt create it


did he dart out with it at the right time to avoid bein a trend hopper?

most definitely

 

[NoHalfWay]

fukkin The World Is Your's music video was Scarface themed...and that was on ILLMATIC...lol

Basically. Plus he made heavy allusion to that kingpin lifestyle on the second verse of NY State of Mind, and other tracks.

 

[vampire xtc]

fukkin The World Is Your's music video was Scarface themed...and that was on ILLMATIC...lol

you do realize that scarface is not a mafioso right? lol


by definition mafioso is memeber of the mafia


scarface was not


lol

dont confuse the lifestyle portrayed

 

[spliz]

oh im not tryin to say he "trend hopped" which sounds terrible lol

but the mafioso thing wasnt created by him

at the time being that i lived through it

it was this thing that started to bubble

then other rappers started doin it more and more

etc...


i wouldnt say nas trend hopped by no means but he kinda ran with it as it was bubblin


my point is he didnt create it


did he dart out with it at the right time to avoid bein a trend hopper?

most definitely

wrong....like I said...The World Is Yours music video was Scarface themed..he been callin himself Esco since 95...Nas was one of the reasons the trend was bubblin in the first place..

 

[spliz]

you do realize that scarface is not a mafioso right? lol


by definition mafioso is memeber of the mafia


scarface was not


lol

dont confuse the lifestyle portrayed

nikka Nas himself barely rapped about actual italian mob shyt...it was more drug dealer kingpin shyt...hence his moniker..Esco....I dont know who u think u tryna school here...lol..u nikkas stay accusing him of mafioso on IWW when in reality..he barely spit ANY mafioso shyt on IWW...it was more kingpin shyt...which was barely on the album either..

 

[NoHalfWay]

oh im not tryin to say he "trend hopped" which sounds terrible lol

but the mafioso thing wasnt created by him

at the time being that i lived through it

it was this thing that started to bubble

then other rappers started doin it more and more

etc...


i wouldnt say nas trend hopped by no means but he kinda ran with it as it was bubblin


my point is he didnt create it


did he dart out with it at the right time to avoid bein a trend hopper?

most definitely

That's the thing tho... it can be argued that Nas IS one of (not the only) reason why that trend was bubbling.

 

[vampire xtc]

That's the thing tho... it can be argued that Nas IS one of (not the only) reason why that trend was bubbling.

but see the whole G rap thing

so i just cant give dude the credit

same way i couldnt give raekwon or big or jay the credit either

it was like on the cusp and everyone was pushing it over the brim slightly

and honestly i think what probably pushed it over the edge more than anything was the street dreams video as back then videos really pushed EVERYTHING


now it heavily references a real mafioso movie

casino ironically

but my entire point is cant give him the full credit is all

i would sooner give full credit to g rap

 

[JayBaldacci]

any artist will have an album thats the best in thier entire catalog

kinda goes without saying


electric circus and universal mind control


obviously not over all fan favorites

but your telling me with electric circus and his album(s) following that LP he didnt progress?

every artist has that project or 2 that makes people go wtf were they thinkin?

am i big fan of electric circus?

nope

some actually are though and its actually critically acclaimed

but he let his creativity PROGRESS and did what others were not and it helped him progress to "BE" which i think we can all agree was dope as hell

any artist can have a bad album and do lol

but not many artists can say they have a bad album they let their creativity run wild with


but common can

Be was alot better but wasnt amazing. Had some light kanye westie moments.

Streets disciple was creative, and is critically acclaimed. Its still bad.

 

[JayBaldacci]

Street dreams has nothing to do with a casino outside the video.

IWW was mostly hood shyt.

And to keep it 100, nas first mafioso rhyme was on one of his demos in 1991.