State handouts for all? Europe set to pilot universal basic incomes

Mr.Logic

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It is not a handout to pay HARDWORKING people...

Most Western Countries have ENORMOUS GDPs, so how is all this production possible if most people are bums (like many sh@t head capitalists believe)?

Most people in the world are working hard and not getting a fair compensation, and this is one the biggest causes of strife in the world...
 

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The thing you proto socialists dont get is the simple fact that THE GOVT HAS NO WAY TO EARN MONEY...

to give to you it must rob someone else and that person being robbed is left poorer and demoralized...and the opportunity cost ,the inefficient bureaucracy and the losses in such a system not to mention how much more wealth people would have created if they weren't worried about being in too high a tax bracket or hiding assets from being stolen
 

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Every liberal policy is designed to destroy the future of the human race.

There are way too many people on earth, and liberals want everyone to have free healthcare as a human right.

Now they want everyone to have a basic income. If people can't make it a technological meritocracy, then fukk em.

When can we began to the thin herd here and ensure that highly intelligent people with drive and conscientious mind live on?

People are poor for reason. They can't make it because they don't have the innate characteristics to do so. Stop enabling these people and polluting the earth.
That's all well and good until the goalposts move and you fall into that category. What then? I'll tell you what then, you will be on your knees begging like everyone else in that scenario. It's easy to kick the ladder down when you climb up to the next level. The hard thing to do is to value an ideal over your own life.
 

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There are way too many people on earth, and liberals want everyone to have free healthcare as a human right.

Now they want everyone to have a basic income. If people can't make it a technological meritocracy, then fukk em.

Who will buy the products made by these technocrats :jbhmm: You won't get rich from building Wal-Mart if everyone who can't find a job dies off and then you only have the customer base of a grocery store left.
 

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Every liberal policy is designed to destroy the future of the human race.

There are way too many people on earth, and liberals want everyone to have free healthcare as a human right.

Now they want everyone to have a basic income. If people can't make it a technological meritocracy, then fukk em.

When can we began to the thin herd here and ensure that highly intelligent people with drive and conscientious mind live on?

People are poor for reason. They can't make it because they don't have the innate characteristics to do so. Stop enabling these people and polluting the earth.

Yep. Poor is simply social Darwinism. We just got to keep poor people from reproducing.
 

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Every liberal policy is designed to destroy the future of the human race.

There are way too many people on earth, and liberals want everyone to have free healthcare as a human right.

Now they want everyone to have a basic income. If people can't make it a technological meritocracy, then fukk em.

When can we began to the thin herd here and ensure that highly intelligent people with drive and conscientious mind live on?

People are poor for reason. They can't make it because they don't have the innate characteristics to do so. Stop enabling these people and polluting the earth.
Wtf I can't neg rep him
 

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Swiss voters have overwhelmingly rejected a proposal to introduce a guaranteed basic income for all.

Final results from Sunday's referendum showed that nearly 77% opposed the plan, with only 23% backing it.

The proposal had called for adults to be paid an unconditional monthly income, whether they worked or not.

The supporters camp had suggested a monthly income of 2,500 Swiss francs (£1,755; $2,555) for adults and also SFr625 for each child.

The amounts reflected the high cost of living in Switzerland. It is not clear how the plan would have affected people on higher salaries.

The supporters had also argued that since work was increasingly automated, fewer jobs were available for workers.

Switzerland is the first country to hold such a vote.

There was little support among Swiss politicians for the idea and not a single parliamentary party came out in favour, but the proposal gathered more than 100,000 signatures and was therefore put to the vote under the Swiss popular initiative system.

Critics of the measure said that disconnecting the link between work done and money earned would have been bad for society.

But Che Wagner from the campaign group Basic Income Switzerland, argued before the vote that it would not be money for nothing.

"In Switzerland over 50% of total work that is done is unpaid. It's care work, it's at home, it's in different communities, so that work would be more valued with a basic income."

Meanwhile, Luzi Stamm, a member of parliament for the right-wing Swiss People's Party, opposed the idea.

"Theoretically, if Switzerland were an island, the answer is yes. But with open borders, it's a total impossibility, especially for Switzerland, with a high living standard," he said.

"If you would offer every individual a Swiss amount of money, you would have billions of people who would try to move into Switzerland."

The wording on the initiative was vague, asking for a constitutional change to "guarantee the introduction of an unconditional basic income" but with no mention of amounts.

The idea is also under consideration elsewhere. In Finland, the government is considering a trial to give basic income to about 8,000 people from low-income groups.

And in the Dutch city of Utrecht is also developing a pilot project which will begin in January 2017.

Another four issues were on the Swiss ballot on Sunday.

  • A proposal to speed up the country's asylum process was backed by nearly 67%
  • The Pro Service Public initiative proposing that bosses of big public sector companies should not earn more than government ministers - a reflection of dissatisfaction with railways and telecoms provider Swisscom. It was rejected by 68% of the voters
  • A proposal to allow genetic testing of embryos before they are inserted in the uterus in cases of in-vitro fertilisation, where either parent carries a serious hereditary disease. It was passed, with 62% backing it
  • Transport financing: An initiative from the car lobby which wants more investment in roads. The government had urged a "No" vote, and it was rejected by 71%

Switzerland's voters rejects basic income plan - BBC News
 

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How about enabling the working class to have a democratic influence on the means of production?

Social Democracy is cop out for the elites
you mean like unions? :jbhmm:

but lets be real, you're not talking about influence you're talking about power and control just like all socialists
 

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you mean like unions? :jbhmm:

but lets be real, you're not talking about influence you're talking about power and control just like all socialists

Is there anything wrong with the working class having power and control?:jbhmm:
 
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