Statehood for all U.S. territories that are inhabited and CFAS’s: Yay or Nay?

[Fctftl]

I say if they want to let em throw their hat in the ring.

as far as gentrification, that never stopped people from goin to territories/other countries n settin up shop. See South Africa, Brazil, etc.


Id imagine if things got too expensive on the mainland states, people would still go to laces like the V.I. regardless if it got statehood or not.

if people talkin populations for representation in government, shyt wyoming got 500k people so

 

[MoneyTron]

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Also edited the poll slightly to add a forth option kinda like what I just brainstormed with the “island” designation.

DC, yes. The government should have a similar relationship with the city as the Vatican does with Rome.
The others...

 

[mastermind]

It’s up to each jurisdiction. DC wants statehood, and I think Ricans want statehood or independence. Can’t comment on the other ones.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

DC/PR yes.


them other ones a little light on population

I really don't understand the desire to make DC a state.

We don't need PARTISAN federal bullshyt.

DC is already run by democrats. Lets not push it.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

DC, yes. The government should have a similar relationship with the city as the Vatican does with Rome.
The others...

America got some things right. A neutral piece of territory for federal affairs is preferable.

Capital districts and territories - Wikipedia

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

I figured as much. There’s hardly much info out there at all. I dunno why, but I get the feeling that a lot of that also has to do with the fact that there isn’t much reason to find new or innovative ways to develop more infrastructure since it’s not a state or a place for civilians more than it is for military.

It definitely strikes me as a place that would be great to get away from it all. Could be a retirement haven, a place for people to separate from mainland madness.



Very interesting points you bring up breh. I went to college in a small town so I’m used to that 30K and under shyt. It actually is interesting to me how that would look on a tropical island. I guess for me, my main issue is that these people are in limbo. If they could get participation like any other part of America it would solve the problem. Whether or not Statehood is the only way to do that is another question. In terms of who would move, America has a pioneering spirit by nature, even the groups that were often victimized by it. So I think you’d actually get a decent amount of people moving to these far flung places as long as the jobs and infrastructure were put in place.

It makes me then wonder if there should be a special “island” designation for places that are much smaller in size and population? Like PR can be a state given its pop/size but the others are “islands” with a vote? That’s a little similar to what I think of DC actually. You don’t NEED statehood to fix the inequities of DC. It just need a way for district residents to have their federal vote counted which can be done through Maryland. Perhaps these smaller islands can be legislatively connected to larger islands for their vote? Like PR and VI comprise a bloc and the Pacific islands including Hawaii comprise a bloc? I dunno, just brainstorming solutions because the Senate point is a good one. It’s already insane that Wyoming with 500k got the same Senators as Cali with 30+ mil.

But I think the gentrification aspect is inevitable honestly. Everyone can’t live in Miami, LA, Vegas, or these other warmer places. Sooner or later rich ass developers gon try to make it happen so better that it happen for more left leaning reasons than right leaning.

Puerto Rico would be the poorest state, but its the best candidate to be a state.

DC, i think will backfire.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Statehood for DC and the US Virgin Islands

USVI, yes

PR, yes

DC, HELLLL NO.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Puerto Rico would be the poorest state, but its the best candidate to be a state.

DC, i think will backfire.

I didn’t add DC because there are other avenues to resolve its issue and it’s a very unique question. In the case of these territories, they didn’t have much of a choice, so there’s a crazy bit of unfairness dealt to them. DC was an entity willingly created by Maryland and Virginia. If you’d just restore federal voting rights but have it be done through Maryland which the District is derived from you’ve resolved most of the problem.

But the more I learn about the territories the more inherently unfair it looks to me. They literally stuck in some weird American Imperial limbo. Either cut them loose and keep military installations there or make them states (or something similar) and bring them into the fold.

From what I gather, most of the territories want recognition, American Samoa is prolly the only exception since some of the natives don’t want to lose land rights which right now heavily favors native Samoans. That’s totally understandable fr, plus their status is a little more weird compared to the other territories in that they’re Nationals and not Citizens.

Puerto Rico and VI tho? Absolute imperial bullshyt and Congress is dragging their feet. And what’s funny? I think Rethugs are actually missing out on potential places where they can get votes. Those Pacific islands have a long history of military service which might make those places lean more right. PR also isn’t a slam dunk Dem territory. There’s definitely things both sides can take advantage of here.

 

[mastermind]

Puerto Rico and VI tho? Absolute imperial bullshyt and Congress is dragging their feet.

A lot of Ricans want full independence, and they should be able to decide that.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

USVI, yes

PR, yes

DC, HELLLL NO.

Why not DC?

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

A lot of Ricans want full independence, and they should be able to decide that.

Theres desire for independence but they’ve waned throughout the years. Although the voter turnout was low, most people voted for statehood. I think since it hasn’t looked like Congress is motivated to answer this question a full blown discourse isn’t taking place. If PRs and other territories knew for sure that there would be a final answer then both sides would have much more rigorous and robust discussion.

I think these places should be states imo, only because they’ve been under this status for so long that they shouldn’t be cut loose without a chance to be successful as independent states. Plus America’s impositions as well as past colonial relationships prior to America’s involvement has changed these places radically. Might as well just make them part of America on a greater scale.

 

[mastermind]

Theres desire for independence but they’ve waned throughout the years. Although the voter turnout was low, most people voted for statehood. I think since it hasn’t looked like Congress is motivated to answer this question a full blown discourse isn’t taking place. If PRs and other territories knew for sure that there would be a final answer then both sides would have much more rigorous and robust discussion.

I think these places should be states imo, only because they’ve been under this status for so long that they shouldn’t be cut loose without a chance to be successful as independent states. Plus America’s impositions as well as past colonial relationships prior to America’s involvement has changed these places radically. Might as well just make them part of America on a greater scale.

Id rather have them be a state too, but since they are not a state now that should be their choice.

DC should be statehood or nah
PR should be statehood, independence or the same status.

My point is that territories should get more options because the question is more nuanced.

 

[2Quik4UHoes]

Id rather have them be a state too, but since they are not a state now that should be their choice.

DC should be statehood or nah
PR should be statehood, independence or the same status.

My point is that territories should get more options because the question is more nuanced.

Indeed, statehood isn’t the only answer or desire for these people. There are definitely other workable options. Like the Pacific islands can be independent but have defense deals with the U.S., or if they feel the military service and having to secede so much land to the military means they are owed statehood.

As you said it’s a nuanced question. But I think especially as minorities ourselves on the mainland, it’s good to pay more attention to this question as it not only has implications on the mainland but it also has a slight relation to disenfranchisement and discrimination against non-white peoples.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why not DC?

I don't think yall really wanna see republicans at ANY point of DC control

its cool now cause democrats basically run the district, but FEDERAL control of the hub of government?

Nah, bruh.

We gotta think ahead more than 5 minutes at a time.

 

[BigMoneyGrip]

I don't think yall really wanna see republicans at ANY point of DC control

its cool now cause democrats basically run the district, but FEDERAL control of the hub of government?

Nah, bruh.

We gotta think ahead more than 5 minutes at a time.

DC would be a state with federal properties operating inside its district... but I get it because DC is essentially the nations Capitol