Stateless Society

[Trajan]

Im sure its working well for Somalia

Ya diiiiig

Somalia for the past 20+ years has been government free.

Some things have actually improved without government...but overall I'm not sure you guys would be willing to give up the blessing that is stability and order for ''freedom''.

It is not even freedom really, it's the rule of the strong over the weak.

Organised societies with centralised power have always performed better and been better places to live than the decentralised chaos of rivals. From the Romans V Parthians to the Bushong V Lele of the Kuba Kingdom...I can't think of instances in history where this is not true.

Perhaps if you are into that Bedouin lifestyle of old Arabia

 

[HideoKojima]

Ya diiiiig

Somalia for the past 20+ years has been government free.

Some things have actually improved without government...but overall I'm not sure you guys would be willing to give up the blessing that is stability and order for ''freedom''.

It is not even freedom really, it's the rule of the strong over the weak.

Organised societies with centralised power have always performed better and been better places to live than the decentralised chaos of rivals. From the Romans V Parthians to the Bushong V Lele of the Kuba Kingdom...I can't think of instances in history where this is not true.

Perhaps if you are into that Bedouin lifestyle of old Arabia

I was just throwing out banter there, Somali breh. Improvement? im all for that but a proper government is needed to really get things going. Brehs just got an ATM in the country States are necessary.

 

[Trajan]

I was just throwing out banter there, Somali breh. Improvement? im all for that but a proper government is needed to really get things going. Brehs just got an ATM in the country States are necessary.

You're the homie



But nah I cosign that.

My point is, thought some things have improved (Life expectancy fell by two years between 1985 and 1990: but since becoming effectively stateless it has improved by five years. Only three other sub-Saharan states marked such an improvement. http://fee.org/freeman/detail/somalia-failed-state-economic-success)

Despite that, statelessness is not a good look breh.

 

[HideoKojima]

You're the homie



But nah I cosign that.

My point is, thought some things have improved (Life expectancy fell by two years between 1985 and 1990: but since becoming effectively stateless it has improved by five years. Only three other sub-Saharan states marked such an improvement. http://fee.org/freeman/detail/somalia-failed-state-economic-success)

Despite that, statelessness is not a good look breh.

At the rankings(although pitted against other African Countries and not 1st world nations) is quite impressive giving the cards dealt. for instance, the country still ranks high in telecommunications compared to countries with centralized governments but thats kind of a bad thing yknow when you think about it. A Stateless is performing at a rate of those who dont share its same status. Says more about the countries with governments than anything.

Unrelated im reading this article like at some of things. Like laws dealing with restitution rather than punishing criminals. plus the blatant misogyny of not valuing women's lives as equal to men's. A man's life being worth 100 livestock and a woman's worth 50

breh real recognize real

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Democracy is a polite way of saying majority tyranny.

That's all there really is to it.

and thats not what we have

 

[gho3st]

fukk it, the only way any form of government work is if we have robots making the decisions Human nature is too unpredictable

 

[DEAD7]

but overall I'm not sure you guys would be willing to give up the blessing that is stability and order for ''freedom''.

It is not even freedom really, it's the rule of the strong over the weak.

I can imagine some one pitching this to slaves



Its crazy how undervalued freedom is.

 

[Poitier]

fukk it, the only way any form of government work is if we have robots making the decisions Human nature is too unpredictable

No, if robots could do all the industrial processes then we would not need government.

Also, when start mining resources in space that were once scarce

 

[DEAD7]

Democracy isn't about the right of a small elite to oppress the vast majority. There is no right to oppress others. Is your objection to socialism that people would "have" to work (people have to work under capitalism too... or they die)...? Or wouldn't be able to lay exclusive, private claim to resources and the means of social production to establish control and power over others? As I mentioned previously, I do think that people should be able to opt out.

Pure democracy highlights the ugly side of collectivism... racism.
If the majority belong to one demographic, and vote democratically to oppress a minority demographic, what's to stop them? A control of some sort? Imposed by whom?...

If its voluntary, I'm fine with it. It then becomes 'libertarian socialism'...
Would I participate? absolutely not I reject the notion that "we" are our brothers keeper, and that the fortune of one is the mortgage of another.

 

[Trajan]

I can imagine some one pitching this to slaves



Its crazy how undervalued freedom is.

Tell that to Somalis.

"Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." - Thomas Hobbes

 

[DEAD7]

Tell that to Somalis.

"Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short." - Thomas Hobbes

To be fair they lived under those conditions with the state.

... and if we are being honest Somalia is an example of a failed state, not "statelessness" as it relates to anarchy.

 

[Trajan]

To be fair they lived under those conditions with the state.

... and if we are being honest Somalia is an example of a failed state, not "statelessness" as it relates to anarchy.

Not really...crime was really low as far as I know....Somali police never even carried guns. You didn't have marauding warlords preying on the people and gunmen reigning supreme.

and how would anarchy be different from a failed state. In both cases there wouldn't be a government no?

 

[DEAD7]

Not really...crime was really low as far as I know....Somali police never even carried guns. You didn't have marauding warlords preying on the people and gunmen reigning supreme.

and how would anarchy be different from a failed state. In both cases there wouldn't be a government no?

Yes, but the Somali aren't going to magically acquire the resources, education, and technology to become a stable first-world nation in the wake of a failed state. They are going to fall into chaos, as we are seeing.

Anarchy defined as a society without a publicly enforced government is nothing like the chaos we have seen in Somalia, and is much more structured than many conceive. An anarchic society is not one without rules; Its a society where the rules come about through voluntary agreements and contracts... not the arbitrary fiat of coercive third parties.

 

[JahFocus CS]

Pure democracy highlights the ugly side of collectivism... racism.
If the majority belong to one demographic, and vote democratically to oppress a minority demographic, what's to stop them? A control of some sort? Imposed by whom?...

If its voluntary, I'm fine with it. It then becomes 'libertarian socialism'...
Would I participate? absolutely not I reject the notion that "we" are our brothers keeper, and that the fortune of one is the mortgage of another.

Funny that you point to racism, being that it was birthed by capitalism

Under what social, economic, and political circumstances are you asking this question about the majority voting to strip rights away from a minority?

You wouldn't have to participate... but you wouldn't have the option of oppressing others, either.

 

[Poitier]

Funny that you point to racism, being that it was birthed by capitalism