Statistically, Curry had the worst Finals performance of any MVP in NBA history

[LV Koopa]

He posted a fukking article and wrote the exact same opinion found in the article you fukking homunculi


And you said you wish the board would stop saying it was the worse when the article uses fukking stats..

would never have imagined seeing this insult on this board

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

nikkas was callin Bron the greatest player in the NBA and he didn't even touch a finals. And the first finals he did touch he stunk the shyt up terrribly. With 2 superstars on his side that HE maneuvered like crazy to get on a team with in the first place. Yet people still called him King. He got criticism but nikkas ain't act like all his regular seasons suddenly didn't matter. There's great players who never won shyt or even made it to the finals. Curry got a damn ring already. And made history this year in the regular season. He's not a fluke. He's not a fraud. The nikka choked. Just like the player that schooled him this finals did in 2011. Gettin outplayed by Jason Terry n shyt.

Let the record show that this poster that @Gil Scott-Heroin agrees with and says "has some sense finally", believes Lebron's first Finals trip was with the Heat in 2011. How long you been watching ball? That aint some shyt you just forget and get wrong, especially not when Bron's finals record been so heavily discussed this postseason Also says Curry got a ring "already"...you know he's only 3 yrs younger than Bron, right?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Let the record show that this poster that @Gil Scott-Heroin agrees with and says "has some sense finally", believes Lebron's first Finals trip was with the Heat in 2011. How long you been watching ball? That aint some shyt you just forget and get wrong, especially not when Bron's finals record been so heavily discussed this postseason Also says Curry got a ring "already"...you know he's only 3 yrs younger than Bron, right?

I saw that and I don't agree with that. It was obviously a mistake on his part - he obviously meant his first Finals in Miami. I dapped it because he understands my point of view and is a lot more reasonable than most of the posters in this thread.

 

[Piff Huxtable]

This board likes to be irrational when it comes to Curry and the Warriors. Dude had a poor series and everybody's acting like he's the 2016 Brevin Knight.

nah that's obviously Ricky Rubio

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I saw that and I don't agree with that. It was obviously a mistake on his part - he obviously meant his first Finals in Miami. I dapped it because he understands my point of view and is a lot more reasonable than most of the posters in this thread.

Mmhmm. Im sure the poster that you dapped for saying Steph was on a new level than Mike mustve understood your pov as well. He was quite reasonable, wasnt he? But nah you aint agree with him...

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Mmhmm. Im sure the poster that you dapped for saying Steph was on a new level than Mike mustve understood your pov as well. He was quite reasonable, wasnt he?

Unless you have evidence of this, this nonsense holds no weight. Especially since I'd never dap a post or imply that Curry was on another level to Jordan as a player in the first place. It's hilarious how you first accused me first of arguing that Curry was on another level to now it being me dapping a post that allegedly contained those words. And you wonder why I call you a liar.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

The point is he made them and those makes were key to their success. He obviously benefitted from the attention Klay and Steph got, but he still had to knock down shots. See Harrison Barnesand I'm not giving credit to Curry for Iggy hitting shots.

Yes, but you must weigh up what was more important and what had the biggest impact - the main ball-handler/shot creator of a team who attracted all the defensive attention while still producing at a higher rate, or the role player who benefited off of this? You don't have to give credit to Curry for Iggy hitting shots, but you must give credit to Curry for putting the Warriors in the position of playing 4v3 on offense.

I wasn't using plus/minus as my sole argument, simply pointed out it was one of many areas where his measurable performance was better than Steph.

Again, without the proper context it's meaningless. Especially since Curry had a greater plus/minus in the lineups they played in over the last three games, and Iggy wasn't in the starting lineup when the Warriors offense struggled in the first half of the series. You've got to pay attention to the lineups used, roles and situation of the game before throwing out +/-.

Are you really going to compare guys who barely played to Iggy who had the 3rd most minutes on the team?

Except that's exactly what you're doing - using stats without taking into account lineups and minutes played.

Are you really going to throw out ORTG and DRTG (team stats) without the proper context? Especially since Iggy wasn't the most important player on defense and he wasn't the most important player on offense.

Better asst to to ratio Steph's was 1.3 to 1.

i) Curry dealt with far more defensive attention
ii) The Warriors offense is motion-based - Curry doesn't get assists for creating points or open shots because of the ball movement - when he moves the ball on the Warriors survey and look to get the best shot possible. There's a reason why he led the league in secondary assists and the Warriors led the league in secondary assists as a team this season

If you went over that series with a fine-toothed comb you'd see how much points and open looks he generated for his team. It's not as simple as just looking at the assists.

While you can certainly nitpick each one of that stats I mentioned when taken one by one, when you look at them as a group the total picture paints a different light. The crux of your argument seems to be that Steph was better because he's better.

And the fact theat the Cavs entire defense was centered around stopping him - allowing the Warriors to play 4v3 and role players like Iggy to get open looks. Yet even with all that defensive attention Curry still put up greater production than Iggy did. Go figure.

Draymond was the last line of defense. Bron couldn't get by Iggy. He was clearly the most important player defensively as evidenced by him torching everybody when Iguadola wasn't on the court.
'Iggy' makes LeBron's shooting iffy
"On shots contested by Iguodala, James is shooting 24 percent from the field. On shots contested by anyone else, James is shooting 41 percent. "

Andre Iguodala: Justifying the Most Valuable Player of the 2015 NBA Finals
Here are James' statistics with Iguodala on bench versus Iguodala on court:

Iguodala on Bench: 44% FG, 82% FT, 47% eFG, +30 +/-, 107.4 offrtg, 88.6 defrtg, +18.8 netrtg

Iguodala on Court: 38% FG, 66% FT, 41% eFG, -55 +/-, 94.1 offrtg, 109.7 defrtg, -15.5 netrtg

i) Iggy wasn't the most important player defensively
ii) When Iggy wasn't on the court, you have to account for Draymond not being on the court too
iii) LeBron wasn't torching Draymond - in fact Draymond had a similar amount of success when defending LeBron
iv) Draymond had just as much influence in limiting LeBron because he was the one that kept LeBron from driving and settling for jumpshots
v) In the Finals -

Draymond kept his matchups (second most defended shots per game) to -11% below their usual FG% - by far the best mark of any player that had a main defensive workload. And we could then go onto all the other roles he fulfills on defense (especially when he moved to the 5 over the last three games, where he was protecting the rim and switching out on the perimeter).

Now given that Bron was the Cavs sole player capable of generating any offense for himself or his teammates and his performance was enough to win them 2 games in the series despite the odds against them, you simply cannot underscore the importance of Iguodala's defensive impact guarding him basically full-time while also contributing at an elite level on the offensive end.

Iggy wasn't contributing at an elite level on offense - you can get that nonsense outta here. He was hitting open shots and being a secondary playmaker (with Livingston and Draymond). Iggy had a huge impact on defense (particularly guarding LeBron), yet he was aided by Draymond's rim protection, ability to keep LeBron away from driving and carrying out the scheme - who had the biggest impact on that end for the Warriors.

He also only had to play one side of the ball. You're also ignoring the Cavs defense was exhausted and consisted of Delladova, brain dead Shump and JR Smith, not exactly Larry Brown's Pistons. And of course the Warriors also had the 2nd best shooter of all-time in the backourt and a revolutionary system predicated on elite player and ball movement. Certainly Steph was important to that, but not sure who you can single him out as the singular reason for their success, espicailly given the cirumstances of the depleted Cavs team .

Because he was the most important player to the success of their offense. Did you see how the Cavs were guarding him and allowing the Warriors role players to beat them? Did you see how many open looks he created for his team? Did you see him carrying the #1 offensive load while generating the most points all throughout that series? Why are we even debating this? It's non-debatable.

Numerous statistics favor Iggy and of the 11 professionals who voted on MVP apparently none felt Steph was more important/valuable. Now sure its possible we're all wrong. but to act like its not debateable?

I'm not saying it wasn't debatable (I said at the time I had no problem with Iggy winning it - considering that I don't really care for the award anyway), I just have a problem with folk using it against Curry when if you broke everything down - you'd see he was their best and most important player.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Unless you have evidence of this, this nonsense holds no weight. Especially since I'd never dap a post or imply that Curry was on another level to Jordan as a player in the first place. It's hilarious how you first accused me first of arguing that Curry was on another level to now it being me dapping a post that allegedly contained those words. And you wonder why I call you a liar.

You call me a liar because you're upset and looking to lash out. Thats not a lie, Rainman. Thats simply a man that has a lot more shyt to worry about and remember than which faceless message board drone said which dumb comment 3 months ago. All I recall is there was hilarious hyperbole flying left and right and you were all too happy to be a part of it.

Perhaps if coli mods werent spending so much time creating Bushes-caliber threads, they could fix the search function and I'd point you to the post. Its well known that you save and catalog all of your interactions on this site so its likely that you'll find and edit the posts in question before I can access them, but just know that I know.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

You call me a liar because you're upset and looking to lash out.

I call you a liar because you are a liar. I've given up counting how many times you either took my posts out of context, manipulated what I posted or just blatantly made up shyt.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Everyone takes what you say outta context according to you. Everyone apparently is the problem.

I never accused everyone of this. There's plenty of posters who understand my posts and don't take what I say outta context.

Iggy did everything better than Steph except score more points-which Curry padded a lot of when they were up late, or when they were getting blown out in Game 3.
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This couldn't be further from the truth.

The fact that you think there's some sort of big FMVP conspiracy from the media-the same media that is calling him the greatest since the beginning of time, is weird.

I never said there was some sort of conspiracy at all. Just that the voters focused too much on what Iggy did (falling into the trap of the LeBron lone wolf narrative at the time) and not the actual impact of each Warriors' player. The "media" was focused more on LeBron during last year's Finals because of him having to deal without Love and Kyrie. I don't see why this is so hard to understand...

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I call you a liar because you are a liar. I've given up counting how many times you either took my posts out of context, manipulated what I posted or just blatantly made up shyt.

The problem is A) Nobody thinks that but you, and B) You accuse a lot of posters of doing that when you disagree. Its simply another tactic in your bag of tricks, like @'ing a bunch of people for backup, typing a lot of words in lieu of making a compelling argument, or any of the other dozens of fallacies you cycle through on a regular basis.

Anything to avoid admitting you were incorrect on a subject, as you still have yet to do regarding the Warriors and the Finals. You argued all year they were a GOAT-level team, then they lost and you say Steph wasnt up to par, but yet you turn around and say you werent incorrect and I was the one who was somehow wrong about them all the way to the end. Its like an Abbott and Costello routine.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@GoddamnyamanProf

You were wrong about this team from the very start. You don't get to move the goalposts.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

@GoddamnyamanProf

You were wrong about this team from the very start. You don't get to move the goalposts.

Stop talking in circles, shortbus. Repeating something doesnt make it true. Take your L, move on and make smarter decisions next time.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Stop talking in circles, shortbus. Repeating something doesnt make it true. Take your L, move on and make smarter decisions next time.

I'm "talking in circles" as you put it because you won't acknowledge that you were wrong about this team from the start. You don't get to move the goalposts along the way, and you sure as hell don't get to pick and choose what laws apply just to suit your agenda.

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

I'm "talking in circles" as you put it because you won't acknowledge that you were wrong about this team from the start. You don't get to move the goalposts along the way, and you sure as hell don't get to pick and choose what laws apply just to suit your agenda.

The autism must be taking over now. What part was I wrong about?