"Steph Curry Has More Offensive Impact Than Any Player In NBA History...Even Jordan"-Steve Kerr

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Rhakim said:
Steph/Klay/KD are averaging 80ppg right now on 58% shooting for twos and 43% from three. And Klay hasn't even played any good outside of 1 game. :dead:


1998 Bulls needed six guys to get to 80ppg (MJ, Scottie, Kukoc, Longley, Harper, AND Rodman), and at only 48% shooting twos and 31% shooting threes. :scusthov:

And fools were claiming that not just the Bulls but even the 1998 Jazz could hang with the modern Warriors. :childplease:
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It's called pace and physicality. It's a no touch league today. FOH
 
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Raw Lyrics said:
It's called pace and physicality. It's a no touch league today. FOH
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Easy to check pace:

per 100 possessions: Curry 46 points, KD 37 points, Klay 28 points, Looney 17 points, Draymond 12 points, Iggy 7 points
per 100 possessions: Jordan 40 points, Pippen 28 points, Kukoc 24 points, Longley 21 points, Harper 18 points, Rodman 7 points

Sorry, even accounting for pace Bulls end up well behind, even with Klay/Draymond/Iggy all performing poorly so far this year.

And so far as physicality, that's a myth. MJ used to get foul calls if you breathed on him the wrong way. If it wasn't for the 36 free throws/100 possessions those 6 Bulls shot (compared to only 25 free throws/100 possessions for the 6 Warriors), the scoring gap would have been twice as big.

Watch this and wake me up the first time you see the "physicality" you're talking about:






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this dumb nikka thinking the warriors would scoring like that when MJ and Pippen would lockdown 2 of the 3.
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Like they locked up all the other elite three-point shooting scorers they faced? :dead::dead::dead:

1998 ECF: Mark Jackson 9-19 from three (47%) and Reggie Miller 17-39 (44%)

1995 ECSF: Penny Hardaway 8-22 from three (36%), Nick Anderson 12-29 (41%), and Dennis Scott 15-43 (35%)

1993 Finals: Dan Majerle 17-39 from three (44%) and Danny Ainge 8-12 (67%)

1992 ECF: Mark Price 12-22 from three (55%) and Craig Ehlo 11-26 (42%)

If all of those inferior shooters went off against the Bulls, how would they magically stop a far better trio of Steph, Klay, and KD? :jbhmm:
 
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Young Fab said:
Umm KD went to HIS team. fukk is u nikkas talkin bout
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Thats not the discussion is it? we're talking about Currys offensive impact...when you have another top 3 talent on your team, that kinda skews his impact dont you think?

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Nima0614 said:
Delladova locked up curry people doubting pippen and mj
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And of course, YOU'd be regurgitating this false talking point.

"This tale of Delly being able to lock up Curry is built on ONE game, and one game only - G2 of the '15 Finals, a game where Delly's defensive impact was stretched beyond any reasonable measure to fit the SL of the underdog, lone wolf Cavs. And what better way to dramatize that than to use a white [tough, gritty, all heart] role player. When the truth is the same whenever Curry has an off-shooting night against any defender/team, it's more him than them" -

Apart from G2, Steph averaged 27 ppg on 50%+ shooting across the other five games.

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Matthew Dellavedova is getting too much credit for stopping Stephen Curry

There's a reason the Golden State Warriors won 67 games this season and had the league's second-most efficient offense. When you have someone like Stephen Curry on your team, a player who forces the entire defense to bend towards him, almost every look is a good one, be it a wide open three or a clear lane to the rim.

All of this is why the Cleveland Cavaliers' 95-93 Game 2 win was so shocking. LeBron James put up big numbers, but he wouldn't have led his team to a victory if not for Curry shooting 5-of-23 from the field and 2-of-15 from behind the three-point line. Those 13 misses from behind the arc are an NBA Finals record, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. Even worse, Curry was just 1-of-8 on uncontested field goal attempts, according to NBA.com. Instead of looking like the league MVP that he was Curry spent the evening playing like a blind man carelessly heaving balls at a hoop.

The question is: was Curry just ice cold, or were his woes the result of a Cavaliers tactic?

"It had everything to do with Delly," James said after the game, referring to Cavaliers guard Matthew Dellavedova. "He just kept a body on Steph. He made Steph work. He was spectacular, man, defensively. We needed everything from him."

There are numbers that back up that theory. In Game 2 Curry missed all eight of the shots he took while being guarded by Dellavedova, according to ESPN Stats & Info. When Curry was off the ball, Dellavedova managed to stay glued to him no matter where he went, forcing Curry to work for every inch of free space.

There was also this clip of Dellavedova in Curry's grill which ABC showed in slow motion. It became a symbol of all the hard work Delly was putting into containing the best shooter the league has ever seen.



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But this heavily contested shot was actually an uncommon result in Game 2. A look at the film shows that Curry spent most of the game getting decent looks -- at least by his standards -- that he would normally connect on. But on this night, for whatever reason, the results were different.

As Curry explained:

Shots I normally make I knew as soon as they left my hand that they were off. That doesn't usually happen. I mean, mechanically I don't know if there is an explanation for it, just didn't have a rhythm and didn't find one the whole game.


Curry was asked if he thought Dellavedova's defense threw him off. The answer: um, not really.

Nothing really just besides playing their game plan and playing defense like every pro is supposed to. Not giving up on any possession.

But I doubt this will happen again, with the adjustments I'll make once I'll look at the film.

In fact, when Curry does look at the film he'll likely realize he doesn't need to make any adjustments at all. Instead he'll see myriad open shots that he normally hits with ease.

Here's a three-pointer Curry missed in the third quarter off a fast break.



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Here's Curry's first shot in overtime, a three-pointer from straight away coming off a pick-and-roll. That's a shot he normally buries.



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You can find similar situations when Curry was being guarded by Dellavedova, too. On this play, Curry ran Dellavedova into a Festus Ezeli screen. With Timofey Mozgov hanging back near the foul line, Curry got another wide open attempt from the top of the key. This is a shot Curry normally makes. Here he missed.



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On this play, Dellavedova fell to the floor chasing Curry and didn't get to his feet by the time Curry received the ball. Another great look. And yet another miss.



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Finally, Curry received the ball in the same spot in overtime and used a ball fake to send Dellavedova flying by. Check out where Dellavedova was as Curry prepared to launch. This is the moment opponents expect Curry to hit a dagger. But in this case he missed again.



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Curry's biggest problem Sunday night was his own decision-making, not Dellavedova's defense. Instead of trying to get to the rim the league MVP appeared content launching jumper after jumper from deep, even though his most productive plays (such as his game-tying shot in regulation) came when he found the paint.

On this play Curry had lots of room to attack as Tristan Thompson picked him up off a fast break. Instead he decided to pull the ball back and launch a three over the taller defender.



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Curry's did cough the ball up six times, but the majority of his turnovers were the result of his own careless play, not some magic conjured up by Dellavedova. One occurred after Curry dribbled the ball off Dellavedova's foot. Another was the result of a hard trap led by Dellavedova. He deserves some credit for those two.

But Dellavedova had nothing to do with the other four. One should have been assessed to the passer instead of Curry, while two came off careless looks.

On this crucial play in overtime, Curry decided to throw the ball to a covered Klay Thompsoninstead of a cutting Draymond Green. The pass was intercepted by Iman Shumpert.



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Although Dellavedova played well in Game 2, Curry's horrific night was mostly the result of his own miscues. During the regular season Curry hit 49 percent of the shots he took with a defender within 4 feet of him, per NBA.com. The player we saw in Game 2 is not who he normally is. Don't expect to see Curry shoot this poorly again this series, even if Dellavedova plays the defensive game of his life.
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String Bell said:
this dumb nikka thinking the warriors would scoring like that when MJ and Pippen would lockdown 2 of the 3.
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Worse offensive players managed to get theirs against MJ/Pippen, what makes you think they could "lock down" two of Steph, Durant and Klay, especially in a climate where they'd exhaust themselves on defense more than any other era?
 
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Raw Lyrics said:
It's called pace and physicality. It's a no touch league today. FOH
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That's what they said about MJ, and the league, when he rose to superstardom.

"Just remember (Michael), when you played, they changed the rules to make it easier for you to dominate...when I played, they changed the rules to make it harder for me"
 
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