Stephen A. Smith channels @theworldismine13

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our collective vote doesnt count now dumb fuk and the democratic party has repeatedly shown that they dont give a fuk about black people either

Explain. How have they shown recently they generally don't care about black people?

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

im the one that was arguing that the black votes can swing elections and decides elections, you were arguing that we should vote for the good white folk, you speak out of fear and your own belief in the weakness of black people

you arent demanding anything from democrats, you have plainly said black people should vote for democrats becuase they are less racist, you arent trying to control any agenda becuase you believe the liberal democratic = the black agenda, so your only demand is that white liberals implement what white liberals think should be done

Yes, Dems are less racist, and more importantly, the GOP has done nothing to demonstrate that it will do anything for black people, which is why I said of the two choices the Dems are better for black people, but not good. As for me though, I rarely vote Democrat and have spoke out many times on the damage the welfare state has inflicted on black people; I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 and vote on issue/record for local politics. I've never said the liberal democratic = the black agenda or any of the other lies you are throwing around. Stop twisting shyt around and making up people's perspectives to fit your arguments.

 

[CACtain Planet]

I don't have a single fukkin idea of what you are talking about. Please provide a link that that shows how the Democratic party (not Dixicrats) took out black leaders in the 1960's. And the Democratic party as a whole killed babies in Vietnam.



Lets not forget Nixon was a criminal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watergate_scandal



Not ignoring anything, read what I said above. The party HE represented was moving in a different direction. Today's Republican party is against the Voting Rights Act, Affirmative Action programs, the EPA, and anything involving Equal Right Policies from the government.



Most black education facilities were in much worse conditions than the white schools in white areas. The experiment of "separate but equal" philosophy was a colossal failure. The destruction of inner city schools and communities is deeper and much more systematic than what people like you refuse to acknowledge.

Did J. Edgar Hoover not spy and kill black political leaders in the 1960's when Liberal Baines Johnson and JFK were in office via COINTELPRO?
Lyndon Johnson was indeed a war criminal and hated Martin Luther King (and ultimately greenlighted his death) for calling him out on it. Why do liberals like you continue to ignore this fact?
You are ignoring everything that Nixon did to advance black civil rights to fit your limited and biased points of view. No one is arguing that seperate but equal was a failure..the arguement is that school busing was a failure which is what Nixon was against. Part of the destruction of black communities and inner city schools are in fact due impart to liberal ideas of busing and FORCED integration

 

[CACtain Planet]

I could've sworn unequal distribution of funds for primary school and college was the cause.

I also could've sworn gentrification was the result of the following:
- white flight to the suburbs created a void in the tax base
- the federal government and state governments gutting public funds for underprivileged communities
- decades of concentrated poverty lowering property value
- then white people tried to move back into the neighborhoods and cash in

Sounds like you're victim blaming to me. It's our fault busing and integration didn't work?

Yes and thats the point..Equal distribution of funds for k-12 could have been enforced without busing...funding of colleges is totally different, especially now days with direct funding of colleges by states are getting cut every year which means more colleges have to rely on research and enrollment to stay in the black..Has nothing to do with race.

White flight was happening before the 1960's in big cities yet blacks still had strong institutions within the neighborhood including schools and black businesses. Integration helped destroy this dynamic
Federal and state government gutting public funds for underprivleged communites was bound to happen, which why having strong institutions remedies the gutting.. All you have to do is look at the Self Help era
Decades of concentraded poverty happened due in part to federal assistance programs that didnt have a means test and caused people to become dependent on those programs rather than becoming independent for self.
White people cant effect anything significantly in a black enclave that has strong local institutions

 

[theworldismine13]

Explain. How have they shown recently they generally don't care about black people?

my two biggest problems with the democratic party

not supporting vouchers and charters and trying to force black children into decrepit public school systems while their children go to private

making amnesty for illegal immigrants the top objective of the democratic party, which involves flooding the labor market with cheap labor which will hurt black people who already are the least educated and have the highest unemployment

 

[theworldismine13]

Yes, Dems are less racist, and more importantly, the GOP has done nothing to demonstrate that it will do anything for black people, which is why I said of the two choices the Dems are better for black people, but not good. As for me though, I rarely vote Democrat and have spoke out many times on the damage the welfare state has inflicted on black people; I voted for Gary Johnson in 2012 and vote on issue/record for local politics. I've never said the liberal democratic = the black agenda or any of the other lies you are throwing around. Stop twisting shyt around and making up people's perspectives to fit your arguments.

so now you are saying black people should split their votes?

you are right about putting words in your mouth, i forgot, you are the guy that voted for romney

 

[TLR Is Mental Poison]

so now you are saying black people should split their votes?

you are right about putting words in your mouth, i forgot, you are the guy that voted for romney

No, I'm saying black people shouldn't vote for anybody who isn't accountable for them.

And I never voted for Romney.

 

[theworldismine13]

No, I'm saying black people shouldn't vote for anybody who isn't accountable for them.

And I never voted for Romney.

so you think democrats are accountable to black people

are you denying that you once supported romney for president?

 

[No_bammer_weed]

You are ignoring everything that Nixon did to advance black civil rights to fit your limited and biased points of view. No one is arguing that seperate but equal was a failure..the arguement is that school busing was a failure which is what Nixon was against. Part of the destruction of black communities and inner city schools are in fact due impart to liberal ideas of busing and FORCED integration

The "fit your limited and biased points of view" line is a projection if I've ever seen one. You strike me as a decently smart high schooler (are you still in high school?) in that you have the ability to bring up decent points in the abstract, but you lack the ability to tie it into a cohesive idea thats factually sound to its completion.

Here. I'll show you why you're wrong.

First: You're right, Nixon was fairly progressive on economics and race (today he would be called a white guilt riddled, socialist, marxist, anti-american in today's republican party advocating the same policies); but you must understand that the 60s were a very fluid and unstable period in America. Realities were changing constantly, and the biggest one was integrating the black vote into the body politic, which wasnt measured for before since blacks were in essence not allowed to vote until the passage of the civil rights bill in the south.

This put the south up for grabs, because blacks could vote, and southern whites were disillusioned and confused.

In steps Kevin Phillips, a chief aide to Nixon.

Phillips produced a massive project he delivered to Nixon that quantiatively analyzed voting patters, and he suggested to the president that he needed to ditch trying to appeal to blacks because, in short, there were far more whites and many of them were racist and angry. He called it "negrophobia", and outlined how appealing to their resentment and specifically supporting anti-black policies and making anti-black public gestures would bring them into the fold, because they didnt want to be aligned with blacks.

This is why Nixon became anti-busing, and Phillips research created the blueprint for the new republican party (go after whites that hate blacks...scapegoat blacks for everything wrong....create policy designed to injure blacks so you can continue to scapegoat them as their neighborhoods deteriorate). This strategy crystalized during the Reagan years which were fiercely anti-black, but now the problem for republicans is they are stuck with a aging racist white vote that they cant get away from, and after years of southern strategizing that havent the first clue how to appeal to blacks anymore

Lee Atwater apologized for race baiting and fermenting anti-black resentment.

RNC cheif apologized to the NAACP in '05 for only courting racists at the expense of blacks

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html

And F u and your whole pro-segregation argument. Thats the whole point of seperate but "equal"..keep blacks away from nicer neighborhoods and starve out their neighborhoods. Why dont people suggest asians, hispanics, and jews stay in "their" neighborhoods, which are purposely shtty after decades of neglect and racism. No, they integrate to where the jobs, nice parks, resources, and nice schools are. Shut the F up, your jim crow cac on the low.

 

[theworldismine13]

And F u and your whole pro-segregation argument. Thats the whole point of seperate but "equal"..keep blacks away from nicer neighborhoods and starve out their neighborhoods. Why dont people suggest asians, hispanics, and jews stay in "their" neighborhoods, which are purposely shtty after decades of neglect and racism. No, they integrate to where the jobs, nice parks, resources, and nice schools are. Shut the F up, your jim crow cac on the low.

i would agree that segregation is bad, but i dont agree that our goal as black is to intergrate per se, our goal is to develop our own jobs, our own nice parks, our own resources and our own nice schools

in the civil rights/liberal world there is only intellectual space for integration, the measure of progress is integration, the goal is integration, but the problem is that is premsied on white people, so the civil rights/liberal mentality ultimately puts the fate of the black race in white people's hands

so ultimately the civil rights/liberal world is not compatible with black power

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

The "fit your limited and biased points of view" line is a projection if I've ever seen one. You strike me as a decently smart high schooler (are you still in high school?) in that you have the ability to bring up decent points in the abstract, but you lack the ability to tie it into a cohesive idea thats factually sound to its completion.

Here. I'll show you why you're wrong.

First: You're right, Nixon was fairly progressive on economics and race (today he would be called a white guilt riddled, socialist, marxist, anti-american in today's republican party advocating the same policies); but you must understand that the 60s were a very fluid and unstable period in America. Realities were changing constantly, and the biggest one was integrating the black vote into the body politic, which wasnt measured for before since blacks were in essence not allowed to vote until the passage of the civil rights bill in the south.

This put the south up for grabs, because blacks could vote, and southern whites were disillusioned and confused.

In steps Kevin Phillips, a chief aide to Nixon.

Phillips produced a massive project he delivered to Nixon that quantiatively analyzed voting patters, and he suggested to the president that he needed to ditch trying to appeal to blacks because, in short, there were far more whites and many of them were racist and angry. He called it "negrophobia", and outlined how appealing to their resentment and specifically supporting anti-black policies and making anti-black public gestures would bring them into the fold, because they didnt want to be aligned with blacks.

This is why Nixon became anti-busing, and Phillips research created the blueprint for the new republican party (go after whites that hate blacks...scapegoat blacks for everything wrong....create policy designed to injure blacks so you can continue to scapegoat them as their neighborhoods deteriorate). This strategy crystalized during the Reagan years which were fiercely anti-black, but now the problem for republicans is they are stuck with a aging racist white vote that they cant get away from, and after years of southern strategizing that havent the first clue how to appeal to blacks anymore

Lee Atwater apologized for race baiting and fermenting anti-black resentment.

RNC cheif apologized to the NAACP in '05 for only courting racists at the expense of blacks

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html

And F u and your whole pro-segregation argument. Thats the whole point of seperate but "equal"..keep blacks away from nicer neighborhoods and starve out their neighborhoods. Why dont people suggest asians, hispanics, and jews stay in "their" neighborhoods, which are purposely shtty after decades of neglect and racism. No, they integrate to where the jobs, nice parks, resources, and nice schools are. Shut the F up, your jim crow cac on the low.

People here kill me with that pro-segregation stuff. Dude blamed the state of black education on busing and forced integration.

 

[CACtain Planet]

The "fit your limited and biased points of view" line is a projection if I've ever seen one. You strike me as a decently smart high schooler (are you still in high school?) in that you have the ability to bring up decent points in the abstract, but you lack the ability to tie it into a cohesive idea thats factually sound to its completion.

Here. I'll show you why you're wrong.

First: You're right, Nixon was fairly progressive on economics and race (today he would be called a white guilt riddled, socialist, marxist, anti-american in today's republican party advocating the same policies); but you must understand that the 60s were a very fluid and unstable period in America. Realities were changing constantly, and the biggest one was integrating the black vote into the body politic, which wasnt measured for before since blacks were in essence not allowed to vote until the passage of the civil rights bill in the south.

This put the south up for grabs, because blacks could vote, and southern whites were disillusioned and confused.

In steps Kevin Phillips, a chief aide to Nixon.

Phillips produced a massive project he delivered to Nixon that quantiatively analyzed voting patters, and he suggested to the president that he needed to ditch trying to appeal to blacks because, in short, there were far more whites and many of them were racist and angry. He called it "negrophobia", and outlined how appealing to their resentment and specifically supporting anti-black policies and making anti-black public gestures would bring them into the fold, because they didnt want to be aligned with blacks.

This is why Nixon became anti-busing, and Phillips research created the blueprint for the new republican party (go after whites that hate blacks...scapegoat blacks for everything wrong....create policy designed to injure blacks so you can continue to scapegoat them as their neighborhoods deteriorate). This strategy crystalized during the Reagan years which were fiercely anti-black, but now the problem for republicans is they are stuck with a aging racist white vote that they cant get away from, and after years of southern strategizing that havent the first clue how to appeal to blacks anymore

Lee Atwater apologized for race baiting and fermenting anti-black resentment.

RNC cheif apologized to the NAACP in '05 for only courting racists at the expense of blacks

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/13/AR2005071302342.html

And F u and your whole pro-segregation argument. Thats the whole point of seperate but "equal"..keep blacks away from nicer neighborhoods and starve out their neighborhoods. Why dont people suggest asians, hispanics, and jews stay in "their" neighborhoods, which are purposely shtty after decades of neglect and racism. No, they integrate to where the jobs, nice parks, resources, and nice schools are. Shut the F up, your jim crow cac on the low.

lol at me being in high school.. Im pretty sure i hold more degrees than you do but thats another story for another day

Everything you said about Nixon pretty much applies to Lyndon Johnson as well if you really understand the intricacies behind Johnson signing the civil rights bill into law which was a bipartisan bill in the House of Representatives.. And what the fukk does Lee Atwater and kevin Phillips have to do with Nixon issuing the Philadelphia Plan or creating the Minority business development agency or using executive orders to enforce civil rights..Being against blacks being bused 30 miles from their own neighborhood schools to CAC schools was never a good strategy for integration.

And seems to me you have a hard time comprehending what i said about integration which is funny coming from you.. Are you sure your not in high school still? Because im sure I said that FORCED integration via busing destroyed historically black high schools and and partly black neighborhoods..I know this not only because of my upbringing but because of what is on the books..Check out the statistics of the number black high schools in the 1950's and 60's and the rate of black male graduation and incarceration compared to today..Theres is a stark difference and I argue that it is due inpart to the decay of historically black high schools which is a biproduct of FORCED integration via busing..In hindsight what should have happened is that the Democratic congress should have provided more funding to historically black high schools which was plausible via the 1965 elementary and secondary education act to bring their levels equal to white schools.. And by the way here is Nixon's statement on busing which is very reasonable given what we know today:

"I would also like to restate my position as it relates to busing. I am against busing as that term is commonly used in school desegregation cases. I have consistently opposed the busing of our Nation's schoolchildren to achieve a racial balance, and I am opposed to the busing of children simply for the sake of busing. Further, while the executive branch will continue to enforce the orders of the court, including court-ordered busing, I have instructed the Attorney General and the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare that they are to work with individual school districts to hold busing to the minimum required by law.

Finally, I have today instructed the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare to draft and submit today to the Congress an amendment to the proposed Emergency School Assistance Act that will expressly prohibit the expenditure of any of those funds for busing."--Nixon

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=3098

 

[MostReal]

SAS used the "shoppers" metaphor. Well could you imagine if a business responded to a hemorrhaging of customers by not finding ways to reverse the trends and fight for their business, and instead choosing to boorishly insult them, and claim they are stupid and slave like in mind because they arent frequenting their establishment?

I actually agree with SAS from a strategic standpoint to a degree but this is a great retort

 

[hayesc0]

Did J. Edgar Hoover not spy and kill black political leaders in the 1960's when Liberal Baines Johnson and JFK were in office via COINTELPRO?
Lyndon Johnson was indeed a war criminal and hated Martin Luther King (and ultimately greenlighted his death) for calling him out on it. Why do liberals like you continue to ignore this fact?
You are ignoring everything that Nixon did to advance black civil rights to fit your limited and biased points of view. No one is arguing that seperate but equal was a failure..the arguement is that school busing was a failure which is what Nixon was against. Part of the destruction of black communities and inner city schools are in fact due impart to liberal ideas of busing and FORCED integration

You along with napoleon have been added to the list of nikkas I no longer take seriously. This is unbelievably disingenuous J Edgar Hoover was the FBI director for many administrations from the FBI founding up until his death you know he was rouge doing whatever he wanted and anyone he perceived as a threat he gathered dirt on them thats how he remained for so long. You are a piece of shyt for trying to push this there is no way you are black.

 

[¯\_(ツ)_/¯]

Did J. Edgar Hoover not spy and kill black political leaders in the 1960's when Liberal Baines Johnson and JFK were in office via COINTELPRO?

Like @hayesc0 said above. The FBI generally acted on their own guise and the COINTELPRO bullshyt was not operated under only democrats or the "democratic party" like you said before.

Lyndon Johnson was indeed a war criminal

No, Nixon literally committed a felony. Previous presidents before and now have been accused of commiting several war crimes but there's nuances to each accusation.

and hated Martin Luther King (and ultimately greenlighted his death) for calling him out on it. Why do liberals like you continue to ignore this fact?

Link??? Sounds conspiracy to me.

You are ignoring everything that Nixon did to advance black civil rights to fit your limited and biased points of view.

No im explaining how other circumstances surrounding what he said and did that got him kicked out of office outweigh the FEW policies he supported and enacted as president. He supported black policies but plays up to white voters in the south via the infamous southern strategy. LBJ, a senator from the south, was willing to lose the support of the dixiecrat south to gain black voters. im sure lbj was quite racist, bigot at minimum, but a racist willing to lose southern voters to advance black policies is commendable.

No one is arguing that seperate but equal was a failure..the arguement is that school busing was a failure which is what Nixon was against. Part of the destruction of black communities and inner city schools are in fact due impart to liberal ideas of busing and FORCED integration

Sounds like some bullshyt you read from Thomas Sowell, in which case is nonsense. If black communities were doing better or blacks didnt feel thet needed integration to other schools then blacks part of the civil rights movement wouldve been against it.

Its not like white people forced blacks to choose integration over seperate but equal school facilities.