Steve Harvey turnt the fukk up: "Them Africans is us!! / "My goal is to bridge this gap"

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What it really is, Is that black American culture has become the default “black” culture, and so many people like to dip in and out of it, both taking part in their actual culture (Haitian, Senegalese, etc) but also being able to dip into ours for resources, social advantages, and educational boosts (applying for grants and scholarships literally created for black Americans).

It’s the ability to double dip culturally, all the time. So much so that taking ownership, and taking pride in OUR culture, is seen as xenophobia and hatred.

But these people would never allow the inverse. A black American moving to Nigeria, and taking part in its politics, speaking down or patronizing to native born Nigerians would be received very poorly.

But becuase we have owned blackness, pushed it, molded it, become the face of it, and we are the only true “black culture” any gate keeping is a xenophobic attack.

There is no other black culture besides black American culture because no other culture is designed around blackness except for ours. A part of that is being the minority population in a place where you are constantly othered and having to build through that oppression. The other part of it is that most of the other black countries identify with nationality before race, which is why You have Chinese-Jamaicans and Indian-Trinidadians, who both take pride in Jamaican culture

But there are not Chinese-Black Americans, there is just us. And for that reason we are the only true black culture.

And taking that culture away from people (even though they had no part in its cultivation) is hurtful. But necessary.

Delineation is not hate, it’s just what’s needed.
I like to bold shyt because we need to get to the meat and potatoes of the shyt. So let's do it

This always gets me because it doesn't make sense.

Explain default black culture. Seems you are saying Black American culture is the standard but I need this explained to me because a constant complaint from FBAs in particular is that (Africans and Caribeans say we have no culture.)

so many people like to dip in and out of it, both taking part in their actual culture (Haitian, Senegalese, etc) but also being able to dip into ours for resources, social advantages, and educational boosts (applying for grants and scholarships literally created for black Americans).

Are they dipping into Black folks' resources or are they dipping into AMERICA'S resources?

Social advantages? Explain?

Educational boosts? Explain? Because I can say, it's not even legal to have Black American-based grants and scholarships unless it's from a legal dispute. That's what reparations are all about. The legal claim is that these specific people were targeted for this or that reason and it impacted them for this and that reason and we are willing to pay an amount of currency for our wrongdoings. As the law states, I don't see any educational or social boosts they are getting from Black folks. If anything, the association has put them further behind other immigrant groups entering the United States.

It’s the ability to double dip culturally, all the time. So much so that taking ownership, and taking pride in OUR culture, is seen as xenophobia and hatred.
I don't believe what you consider to be double dipping to be anything more than twisted fantasy or frustration with the white supremacist of America who as Neely Fuller states, are the most powerful people in this world.

I also don't believe anyone would see black folks who have always taken pride in Black history and roots as xenophobia or hatred. It's odd that you would state this.

But these people would never allow the inverse. A black American moving to Nigeria, and taking part in its politics, speaking down or patronizing to native born Nigerians would be received very poorly.

I don't find this to be a true statement. I think that's received very poorly anywhere including in America. People don't like to be talked about, especially by an assumed outsider (cultural, religious, gender, or creed).

But becuase we have owned blackness, pushed it, molded it, become the face of it, and we are the only true “black culture” any gate keeping is a xenophobic attack.

Once again, it is NOT xenophobic to have pride or belief in yourself, your community, your family, or your collective group.

There is no other black culture besides black American culture because no other culture is designed around blackness except for ours. A part of that is being the minority population in a place where you are constantly othered and having to build through that oppression. The other part of it is that most of the other black countries identify with nationality before race, which is why You have Chinese-Jamaicans and Indian-Trinidadians, who both take pride in Jamaican culture
I have no clue what you said or are even talking about

But there are not Chinese-Black Americans, there is just us. And for that reason we are the only true black culture.

You technically do have this and recently, I have seen people like Tariq try to broadcast this as well. I think what you are trying to say is white people see us all as nikkas, so we nikkas. I get that but it's odd when we all nikkas till we not nikkas? Are we all nikkas or are we not all nikkas?

And taking that culture away from people (even though they had no part in its cultivation) is hurtful. But necessary.

Delineation is not hate, it’s just what’s needed.

That's odd because Carribean and Africans have been coming to this country willingly for over 100 hundred years. They definitely have a claim to the cultivation of America. Maybe you just don't know your own history. I think the biggest issue you have, is with you as a person.
 

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You are a xenophobic clown I could post about all kinda of primitive demonic shyt happening in Africa but I have no use in sterotyping Africans.


Get off our nuts are stop trying to force that scamming Pan African ideology on us:russell:

Keep it up
folks are gonna be like "yeah he does post some retarded shyt, what a fukkin dummy"
carry on
 

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That's a very cute speech. But you're leaving out a very crucial information. What type of Africans collaborated with Europeans?

You had royals and powerful African elites preying on their powerless population just like it continues today. But you're here sounding like Motumbo the farmer woke up broke one day, grabbed his neighbor's son, ran to the coast and sold him to an European.


Do you think it was just a free-for-all amongst regular Africans? Is that what they taught you in school?

What you just did is equivalent to blaming folks in the hood who are victims of violence perpetrated by the gangs with guns and power in the hood. Yes, the gangsters are black too but why the fvck are you blaming the ordinary dude who got robbed and shot?:stopitslime:
That's between them, God and the devil. fukk do you want us to do with this info when they are still the majority and have no problem selling each other out. fukk you think they'll do to us? Africanizing Black Americans ain't gonna do a goddamn thing to help Africans bruh. You need to focus your time and attention on their leaders and the people looking to colonize they shyt. Black Americans ain't got a damn thing for them people. It would help if they got users out of their pockets. Got some pride, self respect and dignity and stopped running. Bu bu bu so many of you are focused on convincing Black Americans that we are African. Priorities. Do you know what priorities are?
 

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The guy @Supper summed it up perfectly


There are three types of integration ideologies prominent in the African-American community.

American intergrationist- shirk all ties to your race/ethnicity and only focus on and acknowledge and give your loyalty based on your nationality as an American

Humanist - shirk all ties to any particular demographic and only focus on and acknowledge your humanity.

Flattened blackness- Shirk all ties to your ethnicity, culture, heritage, and nationality and only focus on, acknowledge, and give your loyality based your black skin/race(Pan Afircanism is basically the same but just African centered).

All three want us as AADOS to be the main mules and torch bearers of said agenda at the behest of everyone else involved. American intergrationist believe AAs are obligated to be more patriotic and sacrifice more for this country than all other americans even though we already have and have been the most oppressed by it historically. Humanist believe AAs are obligated to drop everything and fight for the rights of all human being across the globe even though they don't do the same for us. Pan Africanist/Flattened blackness adherents believe that AAs are obligated to be on the front lines carry the torch for the entire black race/people of (sub saharan)African descent globally even though other black groups don't lift so much as a finger to do so, hence their bleaching cultures, and are hyper nationalist and ethnic centered in all situations save for when they can leach off AAs.

American intergrationist tells me that the slave owner is my "American brother"(and often that we should mimick his way of life in order to be successful US citizens like him). The FB/PA ideologue tells me that the slave trader is my "black brother"(and often that he has a superior culture that we "lost" and should "return to"). And the humanist tells me that both of them are my brothers in humanity and that's all that matters.

All of them seek to erase AADOS identity in their own way, and I'm against all three. Afr'Ams are a unique ethnicity group with a culture, heritage, and history of our own with our own agenda for which is the only group we're obligated to give our loyalty to.
 

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Yeah they lie gaslight and disrespect.


If I told some hard truths about them I would be label "xenophobic"
But one of them can casually come in here and call us hood and culture less and it's all good :unimpressed:
They some straight up liar. They avoid speaking of the places they left. Ashamed of who they are and their cultures. I respect the ones that don't run from the questions even if they throw shots. These folks not valid out here fam. It's literally impossible for us to be the same with all the bullshyt that happened in the killing fields. They seem angry that they can't use us for social currency. They weird ass hell. All them folks using and abusing them and their countries but they focused on us. Like get the fukk outta here. I'd be more than willing to help however I can but these "nikkas" be too weird for me. No pride, no self respect. Again, they not valid.
 
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Again, let me reiterate.

You can acknowledge that you're black/SSA and that SSA is culturally, geographically, historically and genetically diverse.
Afro-descendants of the Americas descend from a mix of West and Central African ethnic groups and we do retain some cultural traits from them. That's a fact. Yet over time, we have become distinct from African peoples, culturally and even genetically.
There is no singular 'black' culture but multiple black cultures. Even in the US, there's the dominant African American culture which other black and non-black people emulate. However, in time African American culture will incorporate other cultures and maybe new 'black' cultures will form in the USA. There's no need for xenophobia. One can acknowledge and love their ethnic group without hating on other peoples.

I say this as a Jamaican who studies African cultures, histories, geography, etc. Yet, I'm not a Pan-Africanist (though I do believe in Pan-African trade and trade agreements).
 
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They don’t want to fix home. Black immigrants send $50B home daily, but many of them have no intention of contributing anything to their countries outside of well wishes and some dollars.

As much dysfunction that the black American community has, it’s Still in far better shape than ANY other African or carribean country/community.

We’re fortunate as black Americans that our ancestors simply did the work, and a lot of these folks are still waiting to this day to start.

Most carribean/Africans are simply looking for a way out, not a route to fix.
Sending 50B back to their country isn't helping their country? Huh? nikka what! You say shyt and never stop to think about it. It's wild how you process shyt. It's like you don't. Usually saying you don't care and giving well wishes is sending NO money back home for them.

As much dysfunction that the black American community has, it’s Still in far better shape than ANY other African or carribean country/community.

It's a flex but not as much you think. It's via proxy. You can say being Black in Luxembourg is much better than being Black in the Caribbean or Africa for the average citizen. It's simply being a part of a first-world country and there is a lot that goes into maintaining a first-world country.

We’re fortunate as black Americans that our ancestors simply did the work, and a lot of these folks are still waiting to this day to start.

Most carribean/Africans are simply looking for a way out, not a route to fix.
Once again, you state opinions as facts that are false.

The first sentence is confusing.
The 2nd one is extremely false.

This is why you get hit with xenophobic claims. You say blatantly wrong shyt and get mad that you are being challenged on it.
 

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You are a xenophobic clown I could post about all kinda of primitive demonic shyt happening in Africa but I have no use in sterotyping Africans.


Get off our nuts are stop trying to force that scamming Pan African ideology on us:russell:
The difference between you and me is….that would not bother me at ALL. If it’s true, it’s true.

You however know I’m speaking facts so you’re only retort is to get emotional. Look at you, emotional. :ufdup:
 

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It’s really not the same. You’re talking about 250 years of slave trading, VS isolated incidents with WS propaganda.

We were traded by Africans for centuries.

We feel for them because they got double crossed and colonized because of it.

Had they not been colonized, and simply got rich off of it, we would look at them the same way we look at Europeans.

They fumbled the bag so we supposed to cry for them.
Again, the point is: you can't put the African slavers in the same bucket as the Africans whose families got sold. It doesn't work that way.
 

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That's odd because Carribean and Africans have been coming to this country willingly for over 100 hundred years. They definitely have a claim to the cultivation of America.
Again, the point is: you can't put the African slavers in the same bucket as the Africans whose families got sold. It doesn't work that way.
Especially as a Haitian American, their generalizations are ahistorical and insulting, but these are the people who decry 'flat-blackness'🙄
 

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That's between them, God and the devil. fukk do you want us to do with this info when they are still the majority and have no problem selling each other out. fukk you think they'll do to us? Africanizing Black Americans ain't gonna do a goddamn thing to help Africans bruh. You need to focus your time and attention on their leaders and the people looking to colonize they shyt. Black Americans ain't got a damn thing for them people. It would help if they got users out of their pockets. Got some pride, self respect and dignity and stopped running. Bu bu bu so many of you are focused on convincing Black Americans that we are African. Priorities. Do you know what priorities are?
Absolutely nothing. But what we're not going to do is sit here and not refute lazy thinking.
And no, the people who sold slaves were not the majority, they just had more firepower.
I am not here to convince you or @LastSecondRuger of anything. I am here to complete the half assed history that you guys love to run with.
 

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Especially as a Haitian American, their generalizations are ahistorical and insulting, but these are the people who decry 'flat-blackness'🙄
Yeah, half stories are very damaging. It is very easy to say "I don't have time for this shyt:russell:, they all look alike anyway, they did that shyt"

Who exactly is "they"? That is the essential question I keep asking and they're too lazy to answer.
 

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Absolutely nothing. But what we're not going to do is sit here and not refute lazy thinking.
And no, the people who sold slaves were not the majority, they just had more firepower.
I am not here to convince you or @LastSecondRuger of anything. I am here to complete the half assed history that you guys love to run with.
What ahistorical history? We aren't the same. Your job isn't to africanize us. Your job is to fix your country of origin. What are you waiting for?
 

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Yeah, half stories are very damaging. It is very easy to say "I don't have time for this shyt:russell:, they all look alike anyway, they did that shyt"

Who exactly is "they"? That is the essential question I keep asking and they're too lazy to answer.
Which half stories? You have no stake or claim in our history dude. Much respect to the folks that stood with us but what exactly did your people do besides blend in? I'm very curious. School me on this.
 
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