Stimulus & Bailout Watch Thread

[Json]

Not true. Major stimulus was needed re Ppe and new lending facilities needed to be approved for the FED to provide liquid to businesses.

nancy could have gotten state funding and other bits but she blew it. People knew it at the time too.

Of course that is no excuse for the GOP now but we knew they would drag their feet after getting everything they wanted

You are forgetting one major issue.

The GOP only wanted one major thing. The business loans. The fact it was manipulated and misused with no oversight is on the Dems and GOP cause Trump just allowed the big businesses to take it all. That is part of how they packed everything they wanted into one.

The Dems were trying to stop the bleeding everywhere so they eventually had to cutback to just what they could get in that moment and keep moving.

Remember in the beginning the death were expected to be NY levels everywhere which is what the second stimulus package would have worked on. Once things went not completely out of hand everywhere the GOP made sure to rush opening so they wouldn’t have to do a second package.


Nobody was thinking about reopening schools and that funding cause we were trying to end the last one

 

[Scholar]

You are forgetting one major issue.

The GOP only wanted one major thing. The business loans. The fact it was manipulated and misused with no oversight is on the Dems and GOP cause Trump just allowed the big businesses to take it all. That is part of how they packed everything they wanted into one.

The Dems were trying to stop the bleeding everywhere so they eventually had to cutback to just what they could get in that moment and keep moving.

Remember in the beginning the death were expected to be NY levels everywhere which is what the second stimulus package would have worked on. Once things went not completely out of hand everywhere the GOP made sure to rush opening so they wouldn’t have to do a second package.


Nobody was thinking about reopening schools and that funding cause we were trying to end the last one

My point is Cares 1 should have included state funding etc. Nancy rushed a bill through that had loans and the other stuff you mentioned, She had leverage to say we will let the economy/market continue to slide unless you meet our demands. Regardless of whether there would be another Cares Act it just made practical sense.

Right now though Dems should not agree to the current offer by the GOP. Either get 2+ Trillion or just wait and pass a much larger stimulus when they are in a better position (hopefully) in 01/'21 @the cac mamba

 

[bnew]

Trump

when I saw that tweet earlier, i too was like "what document?"

 

[the cac mamba]

My point is Cares 1 should have included state funding etc. Nancy rushed a bill through that had loans and the other stuff you mentioned, She had leverage to say we will let the economy/market continue to slide unless you meet our demands. Regardless of whether there would be another Cares Act it just made practical sense.

Right now though Dems should not agree to the current offer by the GOP. Either get 2+ Trillion or just wait and pass a much larger stimulus when they are in a better position (hopefully) in 01/'21 @the cac mamba

if you needed an extra 1600 a month right now because you lost your job, would you want them to wait until march?

i wouldnt

unless this is just about pelosi "winning" by not getting anything. then, by all means lets put the ego of our 80 year old, hundred millionaire speaker of the house before all else

 

[Json]

My point is Cares 1 should have included state funding etc. Nancy rushed a bill through that had loans and the other stuff you mentioned, She had leverage to say we will let the economy/market continue to slide unless you meet our demands. Regardless of whether there would be another Cares Act it just made practical sense.

Right now though Dems should not agree to the current offer by the GOP. Either get 2+ Trillion or just wait and pass a much larger stimulus when they are in a better position (hopefully) in 01/'21 @the cac mamba

Your right but that’s a bold bluff to make when the GOP has allowed Trump to sidestep Congress’s control of the purse and he just has to outlast you.

 

[Starski]

Senate Republicans will go with Trump on coronavirus stimulus: White House spokeswoman


yeah ok

 

[the cac mamba]

Senate Republicans will go with Trump on coronavirus stimulus: White House spokeswoman


yeah ok

@The G.O.D II

 

[Starski]

@The G.O.D II

“I believe Senate Republicans will ultimately come along with what the president wants - the president noted that yesterday,”

The source is trump

 

[the cac mamba]

“I believe Senate Republicans will ultimately come along with what the president wants - the president noted that yesterday,”

The source is trump

oh, so you mean the senate republicans will start to feel massive pressure as soon as pelosi signs off on the 1.8, and the ball is in their court

its almost like thats exactly what ive been saying the whole time

 

[The G.O.D II]

@The G.O.D II

Even you don’t believe this bullshyt. Ban bet or don’t tag/quote me anymore in this thread

 

[Pressure]

oh, so you mean the senate republicans will start to feel massive pressure as soon as pelosi signs off on the 1.8, and the ball is in their court

its almost like thats exactly what ive been saying the whole time

Trump wants a larger stimulus. This is old news.

Trump says he wants a bigger stimulus package than the $2.2 trillion amount that Democrats are seeking

 

[the cac mamba]

Even you don’t believe this bullshyt. Ban bet or don’t tag/quote me anymore in this thread

Trump wants a larger stimulus. This is old news.

Trump says he wants a bigger stimulus package than the $2.2 trillion amount that Democrats are seeking

i cant guarantee the republicans will sign, but that quote proves what ive been saying the whole time

pelosi should just take the fukkin deal, and massive pressure is IMMEDIATELY put on the republican senate as being "the ones holding it up", where not signing would be massively unpopular for them right before an election. you cant argue with that

 

[Pressure]

i cant guarantee the republicans will sign, but that quote proves what ive been saying the whole time

pelosi should just take the fukkin deal, and massive pressure is IMMEDIATELY put on the republican senate as being "the ones holding it up", where not signing would be massively unpopular for them right before an election. you cant argue with that

Actually. All it shows is that the president of the United States is not involved in the biggest and most pressing negotiation of his administration.

It also shows that he's undercut the people he has working for him so often that no one actually treats their negotiations with any actual authority.

It's exactly why only 37% of the country thinks Trump is handling Covid well.

You keep asking about leverage, it's that Pelosi and dems don't have to give Trump an easy win to spin heading into the election.

After he loses he either looks for a legacy saving bill to pass or he burns out and the incoming Dem administration gets some easy wins.

 

[The G.O.D II]

i cant guarantee the republicans will sign, but that quote proves what ive been saying the whole time

pelosi should just take the fukkin deal, and massive pressure is IMMEDIATELY put on the republican senate as being "the ones holding it up", where not signing would be massively unpopular for them right before an election. you cant argue with that

Now its I can’t guarantee after swearing for weeks the GOP will automatically go along with a White House bill. Don’t you get tired of this dance everyday?

 

[the cac mamba]

Actually. All it shows is that the president of the United States is not involved in the biggest and most pressing negotiation of his administration.

It also shows that he's undercut the people he has working for him so often that no one actually treats their negotiations with any actual authority.

It's exactly why only 37% of the country thinks Trump is handling Covid well.

You keep asking about leverage, it's that Pelosi and dems don't have to give Trump an easy win to spin heading into the election.

After he loses he either looks for a legacy saving bill to pass or he burns out and the incoming Dem administration gets some easy wins.

first of all, mnuchin is negotiating for trump

second of all, how the fukk is this giving trump an "easy win" if like you say, the senate won't sign it?