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Look bro, youre probably right but every time i open this thread you are still belaboring this point. Dems suck and pelosi sucks.

We get it. Stfu. :heh:
:russell: if these shytheads want to call me out then im gonna respond

its not like this thread has any actual substance now anyway :mjlol:
 
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***says Pelosi should’ve taken $1.8 trillion deal***

***makes no mention of bill having no liability protections as 200k people died and no aid for states decimated by decreases in tax revenue in pandemic that Republicans accelerated***

***blames Pelosi for not taking first deal but not Republicans who have negotiated in bad faith the entire process, wouldn’t negotiate for months and are now offering 50 percent of what was talked about while millions starve, lose their houses and die in hospitals***
post is wrong like one sentence in. it DID have relief for states. and not only that, but the new bill has liability protection. thats happening now no matter what

fukking idiot :mjlol:
 

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What isn't she getting now that she was getting before? :mjgrin:
1200 dollar checks and 400 a week that mnuchin put on the table, for starters :mjlol:

lets break this down;

1. if mcconnell doesnt want something to happen, that means its good for the democrats
2. mcconnell didnt want pelosi and mnuchin to make that deal before the election
3.

ill let you pretend like you dont know how to fill in number 3 :mjlol:
 

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1200 dollar checks and 400 a week that mnuchin put on the table, for starters :mjlol:

lets break this down;

1. if mcconnell doesnt want something to happen, that means its good for the democrats
2. mcconnell didnt want pelosi and mnuchin to make that deal before the election
3.

ill let you pretend like you dont know how to fill in number 3 :mjlol:




Basis to start negotiations.

Biden says $1,200 stimulus checks 'may be still in play' in Covid relief talks

2. He didn't want them to make a deal because he felt like that would cause tension and distraction during a time where their no 1 priority was the ACB confirmation. This has been discussed. It's not because he was afraid it was going to pass.
 

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Basis to start negotiations.

Biden says $1,200 stimulus checks 'may be still in play' in Covid relief talks

2. He didn't want them to make a deal because he felt like that would cause tension and distraction during a time where their no 1 priority was the ACB confirmation. This has been discussed. It's not because he was afraid it was going to pass.

ok, so causing tension and distracting from ACB wouldnt have been a good thing? :laff:

and trump is on tape saying he would have made the republican senate pass it. since when have these fakkits stood up to trump on anything? :laff: they cant even tell him he lost the election
 

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ok, so causing tension and distracting from ACB wouldnt have been a good thing? :laff:

and trump is on tape saying he would have made the republican senate pass it. since when have these fakkits stood up to trump on anything? :laff: they cant even tell him he lost the election

Also you:

either way, can you explain how this will be an easy win for trump when he's gonna have to fight his own republican senate publicly to sign it? that sounds like a win for...the democrats :dead:

There was no deal. And if your scenario plays out, Trump probably gets reelected.
 

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Also you:



There was no deal. And if your scenario plays out, Trump probably gets reelected.
there was a legitimate offer from the treasury and white house, that could have been adapted as the houses bill and sent to the senate

if there was "no deal", how could mcconnell have warned against making it. how could he warn against something that didnt exist :mjlol:
 

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there was a legitimate offer from the treasury and white house, that could have been adapted as the houses bill and sent to the senate

if there was "no deal", how could mcconnell have warned against making it. how could he warn against something that didnt exist :mjlol:
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yeah, like how pelosi should have done. send this post to her :mjlol:

poor showing breh. lets move on
 

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post is wrong like one sentence in. it DID have relief for states. and not only that, but the new bill has liability protection. thats happening now no matter what

fukking idiot :mjlol:

You stupid fukker, the first two bills had either no aid or extremely small amounts for states/local governments. And yes, every bill they put forth had liability protections. The Dems wanted $1 trillion for states, the Republicans wanted zero direct aid for states. Then they offered $300 billion. Now they're offering $160 billion. The Republicans went down every time they negotiated like this was Shark Tank and not people's lives they were dealing with. The only time they went up to $1.8 trillion (in total) was in the fall before the Election. Now they're back down to $900 billion :rudy: You stay lying and hope no one fact checks you. Let's go over the timeline :rudy:



May 2020

HEROES Act is passed by House. Included one-time $1,200 checks, $600 weekly payments, $1 trillion for states and local governments, hazard payments for at-risk workers, expanded eviction moratoriums.

Worth $3 trillion in total.

McConnell calls it a catalog of left-wing oddities. Republicans said bill was dead on arrival.

The entire bill here: Text - H.R.6800 - 116th Congress (2019-2020): The Heroes Act
Summary of bill here: What's in the $3 Trillion HEROES Act?



July 2020

Republicans put forth the HEALS Act. Worth $1 trillion. Included $1,200 checks. Included $600 weekly checks until July 31st, then $200 checks until October 5th, and then 70% of lost wages until December 31st. Did NOT call for an extension of the federal eviction moratorium :dead:

How the HEALS Act compares to the HEROES Act

No direct aid was included for state and local governments :rudy:

What’s in the Senate’s relief bill for state and local tech? Nothing, yet | StateScoop

The Health, Economic Assistance, Liability Protection and Schools, or HEALS, Act from McConnell, R-Ky., was not expected to include state and local assistance on top of the $150 billion Congress appropriated in the March relief package. It instead focused on trimmed-down unemployment benefits, money for schools that resume in-person classes and liability protection for employers.

Local governments are feeling just as squeezed. The National Association of Counties said last week that its members face a collective shortfall of $202 billion. City leaders were also exasperated to see that the HEALS Act contains no state or local assistance. On a conference call Tuesday, Dayton, Ohio, Mayor Nan Whaley said that the financial crisis facing cities has only increased since April, when groups of state and local officials asked Congress for another round of aid.



Late July to August 2020

Benefit for $600 weekly checks expire.
Republicans go on summer recess without a care in the world.



September 2020

Republicans issue another bill, this time, cutting it to $500 billion from $1 trillion

This bill once more did not have funding for states and local governments :rudy:

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop...fails-move-ahead-vote-against-democrats-2020-

The defeated GOP stimulus plan would have granted a $300 federal supplement to state unemployment benefits to replace the $600 weekly benefit that expired at the end of July for millions of unemployed Americans.

It also contained provisions to distribute another round of small business aid, $105 billion to help schools reopen, a liability shield for businesses to guard them from coronavirus-related lawsuits, and additional public health funding.

The legislation, however, omitted direct payments and aid to cash-strapped states and local governments, both measures included in a $3.4 trillion economic spending package that House Democrats passed in May.


October 2020

House passes a $2.2 trillion bill, compromising with Republicans.

  • Restore weekly enhanced unemployment benefits to $600.
  • Extend the small business Paycheck Protection Program, which expired in early August.
  • Allocate $28 billion for a vaccine, and $2 billion for more personal protective equipment for industries significantly impacted by COVID.
  • Increase federal spending on Medicaid.
  • Expand the employee retention tax credit.
  • Provide $436 billion for state and local governments and a 15% increase in food-stamp benefits.
  • Provide another round of $1,200 direct payments to Americans.
  • Increase funding for schools, airlines workers and COVID testing.

Repubs and Dems fight over how much aid to give to states.

Trump raises coronavirus stimulus offer to $1.8 trillion, then says he wants bigger bill than Dems or GOP

To find a deal, Republicans and Democrats would have to quickly resolve several issues that have seemed intractable throughout months of fruitless talks. Pelosi has insisted on at least $436 billion in relief for cash-crunched state and local governments, while Trump has resisted sending them more than the $150 billion they received earlier this year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2020/10/09/trump-economic-stimulus-pelosi/

The figure for states and cities, first reported by Politico, is still significantly lower than Democrats had been seeking. That issue has been a long-running point of contention between the two sides, with Republicans claiming Democrats are trying to “bail out” blue states, a claim that angers Democrats, especially since many Republican governors also are seeking additional federal aid.

Republicans offered a $1.8 trillion counter to House Bill.

Less aid for states. Still included liability protections for businesses.

  • $1,200 direct payments to adults plus $1,000 for each dependent child.
  • $400 weekly federal unemployment benefits (end date unclear).
  • $300 billion in aid to state and local governments.
  • $75 billion for coronavirus testing and tracing
  • liability protections for businesses



Today

Stimulus update: What the bipartisan senators' $900 billion package does and doesn't include

For starters, the bill sets aside $180 billion to pay out weekly $300 enhanced unemployment benefits, which would be paid on top of state benefits. That would replace the weekly $600 enhanced unemployment benefits which expired in late July. In addition, the package would include $82 billion for education, $45 billion for transportation such as airlines, and $25 billion in housing assistance.

The stimulus deal would also include $160 billion in state and local government funding—well under the roughly $900 billion House Democrats had been seeking— and $288 billion in small business funding for the Paycheck Protection Program. The biggest item left out: Another round of $1,200 stimulus checks.

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Earlier, Sen. Joe Manchin, a centrist Democrat from West Virginia, pushed the more than $900 billion measure that includes $180 billion in additional unemployment insurance that would provide an extra $300 weekly benefit for 18 weeks; $288 billion for the Paycheck Protection Program to assist small businesses; $16 billion for testing, vaccine development and distribution; $45 billion for airlines and mass transit; an extension of existing student loan payment deferrals and rental housing assistance; and a new liability provision to block pandemic-related lawsuits temporarily with the intent to give individual states time to develop their own legal response, among others.

The liability provision is a clear overture to McConnell, R-Ky., who has said he will not bring a bill to the floor that does not include liability protections for businesses, health care providers and schools.
 
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@Ozymandeas without quoting all that bullshyt, lets just go right to why youre wrong

when pelosi proudly turned down the 1.8 trillion as not being enough, the implication was that she would end up getting more

so where is that gonna come from now? and if the answer is nowhere, doesnt basic logic dictate that she should have in fact taken the 1.8, instead of proudly rejecting it?

or is your argument that 900 billion is more than 1.8 trillion? :laff:
 

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@Ozymandeas without quoting all that bullshyt, lets just go right to why youre wrong

when pelosi proudly turned down the 1.8 trillion as not being enough, the implication was that she would end up getting more

so where is that gonna come from now? and if the answer is nowhere, doesnt basic logic dictate that she should have in fact taken the 1.8, instead of proudly rejecting it?

or is your argument that 900 billion is more than 1.8 trillion? :laff:

Stop quoting me. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You said there was aid for states and the first two bills they put forth had none. So....you were wrong. Your laff smiley is not saving you.
 

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@Ozymandeas without quoting all that bullshyt, lets just go right to why youre wrong

when pelosi proudly turned down the 1.8 trillion as not being enough, the implication was that she would end up getting more

so where is that gonna come from now? and if the answer is nowhere, doesnt basic logic dictate that she should have in fact taken the 1.8, instead of proudly rejecting it?

or is your argument that 900 billion is more than 1.8 trillion? :laff:
Because Republicans control the government and they don't want to give you relief.

Elections have consequences. :yeshrug:

You keep asking about leverage, it's that Pelosi and dems don't have to give Trump an easy win to spin heading into the election.

After he loses he either looks for a legacy saving bill to pass or he burns out and the incoming Dem administration gets some easy wins.

You and your strawman arguments. :russ:
 

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Stop quoting me. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You said there was aid for states and the first two bills they put forth had none. So....you were wrong. Your laff smiley is not saving you.
the 1.8 trillion had 250 billion for states :laff:
 
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