Stop it, COLI: Losing 4 NBA Finals doesn't hurt a legacy

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

They aren't laker fans. Note how they have nothing good to say about Magic Johnson or Kareem or Pat Riley or Pau Gasol or Phil Jackson or Shaq.

Yeah the only people I see hanging this or last year or 2007 on him are Kobe stans, Boston fans, and maybe one other group I'm forgetting right now.

I've always said Kareem is the GOAT. 70% of his career in the conference finals.50% of his career in the finals. 6 MVPs. 3 NCAA championships. 3 Most Outstanding Player Awards. But Lbron, with his 4 losses in the finals, and 2 wins, is in the same lane as Kareem?

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

Agree with everything you said.

Except I don't blame him for last years either...NOBODY beats that Spurs team the way they shot the ball.

NOBODY

At what point do his stans accept that he's not on certain players level.

On one hand his stans are like he's the best player in the world he makes his teammates better then when he loses it because he doesn't have any help. You can't have it both ways.

He's amazing at finishing at the hoop
He has an ok post game
His mid range is so so
3pt game is not all that
Free throws he's ehhh
IQ is top notch though.

His athleticism is waning so he needs to develop another part of his game to withstand 6 more years of carrying teams.

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

At what point do his stans accept that he's not on certain players level.

On one hand his stans are like he's the best player in the world he makes his teammates better then when he loses it because he doesn't have any help. You can't have it both ways.

He's amazing at finishing at the hoop
He has an ok post game
His mid range is so so
3pt game is not all that
Free throws he's ehhh
IQ is top notch though.

His athleticism is waning so he needs to develop another part of his game to withstand 6 more years of carrying teams.

This can't be emphasized enough.

 

[FAH1223]

Cut the shyt. It's been funny as hell reading all these posts shytting on Bron for the last week, but let's keep it real for a second. Both times he's lost in the finals with Cleveland, he's had a much worse team. His losses to Dallas and SA are inexcusable in this "legacy" argument, but not this shyt against Golden State. None of these other cats are criticized for losing to greater teams (Wilt, West, Jabbar, Dr J) and neither should Lebron.

You can't put the loss to the Spurs last year in Miami on LeBron

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Bron's performance in the NBA Finals this year is some of the most over-hyped shyt I've ever witnessed.

If they just flash his numbers up on the screen(which ESPN is good for), it looks very impressive.


But when you look at FGA's, shooting percentages, how he got D'd up by Iguodala, and how he struggled down the stretch of games...his performances really wasn't anything special to me.Terrible efficiency & his team took the L

I know he was underhanded, but the the way the media is slobbing him up, you'd think he pulled the upset.

His perfomance just didn't pass the eyeball test with me.Dirk in 2011>>>>

I really don't get how people are saying he solidified himself as the "GOAT" or "top 5 player of all time" in this series.

The shyt is actually cringe worthy.

Non efficient/high volume stats....and people lose their minds?....I just don't get it

 

[Jplaya2023]

You can't put the loss to the Spurs last year in Miami on LeBron

Lebron may have had 5 great quarters in the entire series last year. The rest of time he was protecting his fg%

 

[NY's #1 Draft Pick]

You can't put the loss to the Spurs last year in Miami on LeBron

Who we putting it on then?


We gon give all the credit to lebron when the Heat won in 2013 or to Ray Allen ?

 

[FAH1223]

Who we putting it on then?


We gon give all the credit to lebron when the Heat won in 2013 or to Ray Allen ?

Bosh and Wade didn't even show up in the Finals

They were relying on Rashard Lewis to play stretch PF.

No rim protection at all.

Spo playing a trapping defense off pick and rolls leaving shooters WIDE OPEN.

There's a LOT OF BLAME to go around.

You can't pin it on one guy

 

[YourMajesty]

kareem got 6 rings and magic got 5.

bron is with wilt at the kiddie table only having 2 rings.

Sorry Bron..

*Gets up from table*

Thread shoulda been over right here. Bron apologists putting in overtime tryna spin that 2-4 Finals record. Y'all nikkas ain't went to sleep since the Finals ended

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

Its true.

James is in the class with Great Players who have been their A LOT. but couldn't get it done.

Nobody disses West for losing 8 in the Finals

James is one of the most recognized player coming out of high school, in perhaps the 3rd greatest nba draft class of all time.

He lost 4 won 2. Hes not MJ or Kobe status or Duncan status.


Hes with the Great players that lost A Lot status. Dr J.,Malone, West, hell Baylor didn't even win a ring. Baylor is a Great player

This whole ring chase thing came about because a lot of people have their sights set on him passing Jordan as the GOAT.

His resume not looking as impressive as MJ's is gonna make it hard for him to get that GOAT position

A lot of the Bron Stan Coalition is walking around with a golden chalice of envy like

They mad as hell

 

[Kobes Two Jerseys]

Gonna be one of these for bron stans,

 

[The Frozen One]

Bron's performance in the NBA Finals this year is some of the most over-hyped shyt I've ever witnessed.

If they just flash his numbers up on the screen(which ESPN is good for), it looks very impressive.


But when you look at FGA's, shooting percentages, how he got D'd up by Iguodala, and how he struggled down the stretch of games...his performances really wasn't anything special to me.Terrible efficiency & his team took the L

I know he was underhanded, but the the way the media is slobbing him up, you'd think he pulled the upset.

His perfomance just didn't pass the eyeball test with me.Dirk in 2011>>>>

I really don't get how people are saying he solidified himself as the "GOAT" or "top 5 player of all time" in this series.

The shyt is actually cringe worthy.

Non efficient/high volume stats....and people lose their minds?....I just don't get it

if he had those stats playing with 100% Irving and Love, then ya i would buy your argument and hate on Lebron, but dude's second best player was Mozgov and 3rd best was Delly.

Not even MJ would have been able to win with this squad. I thought the Warriors would sweep, yet Lebron won 2 games all by himself. I am damn sure that if Cavs players were all healthy, we would be talking about the GOATness of Lebron.

Also, Warriors were the #1 defensive team in the league. This wasn't one of those 7 seconds or less d'antoni team...they were the real deal. They out ran you and played aggressive defense on the other side to wear you out. Lebron couldn't keep up. Again, this isn't an excuse for Lebron. The loss will still show up on the records book and people will talk about it, but give the man a break. He literally had to play 48 mins on both sides of the floor and play the role of scorer, defensive stopper, playmaker, and coach.

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

The media knows the psyche of people are extremely flawed and malleable and they use this too their advantage.... They create heroes and villains in sports and then change the criteria for greatness whenever they see fit, and the sheep eat it up......

Today's sports fan is probably one of the most illogical living entity walking the planet...... and that's great for business

This sums it up right here.

 

[Captain Crunch]

Bron stans

Yes or no, Kobe is to blame for '04?

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

if he had those stats playing with 100% Irving and Love, then ya i would buy your argument and hate on Lebron, but dude's second best player was Mozgov and 3rd best was Delly.

Not even MJ would have been able to win with this squad. I thought the Warriors would sweep, yet Lebron won 2 games all by himself. I am damn sure that if Cavs players were all healthy, we would be talking about the GOATness of Lebron.

Also, Warriors were the #1 defensive team in the league. This wasn't one of those 7 seconds or less d'antoni team...they were the real deal. They out ran you and played aggressive defense on the other side to wear you out. Lebron couldn't keep up. Again, this isn't an excuse for Lebron. The loss will still show up on the records book and people will talk about it, but give the man a break. He literally had to play 48 mins on both sides of the floor and play the role of scorer, defensive stopper, playmaker, and coach.

I understand that he was underhanded...I just don't think his performance was as good as the media is hyping it up to be.

I'm most impressed by the 9 assist he averaged.That's his most incredible stat of the series IMO.....Not impressed with the 36 points on 34 shots.....12 rebounds.Like I said before, if you're 6'9 260, you should gobble up a bunch of boards against G State because they shoot a trillion J's per game.

I just didn't see dominance.A bunch of pretty stats on poor efficiency....his performance just wasn't that special to me.

He was just regular Bron with more FGA's.....I actually though his drives to the basket looked a lil....all those minutes over the last 4-5 years are starting to take a toll on him.

I just don't understand how this became "the greatest Finals performance of all time".....the media hyperbole is sickening nowadays