SUPERMAN by James Gunn (OUT now)

[Luke Cage]

Yeah, and it was the first time anyone beat him in 3 years of being Superman.

Also, once again (I guess I have to repeat this a billion times), he was blindsided by an opponent who was a match for him in strength.

A clone of himself being aided by the technology of a billionaire.

not sure the point of these power scale debates. Being more OP doesn't make a character more interesting.

Batman would get dog walked by every cinematic version of superman, but his movies are still better.

This movie was decent, but too much tie in's to future projects.

 

[Soymuscle Mike]

I loved the George Lucas approach (Gunn's words) of dropping us into an already established Superhero universe and not explaining everything

 

[King Static X]

not sure the point of these power scale debates. Being more OP doesn't make a character more interesting.

Batman would get dog walked by every cinematic version of superman, but his movies are still better.

And that's why Superman was given challenges in the new movie.

However, some people interpret that as Superman being "weak" in the movie when he wasn't.

This movie was decent, but too much tie in's to future projects.

I can see that and some people share that opinion.

However, I'm fine with it. I like a universe being established and we get to learn more about it's world later.

 

[Luke Cage]

And that's why Superman was given challenges in the new movie.

However, some people interpret that as Superman being "weak" in the movie when he wasn't.


I can see that and some people share that opinion.

However, I'm fine with it. I like a universe being established and we get to learn more about it's world later.

It reminded me of Iron Man 2 in that respect. was more of an avengers prequel than an iron man movie.

I do like that he was challenged though. Up until they used the Kryptonite again. for such a rare metal his villains always seem to be able find some when they need it. Cliche at this point. But him catching hands? Having to figure out a way to overcome? no problem with that.

 

[King Static X]

It reminded me of Iron Man 2 in that respect. was more of an avengers prequel than an iron man movie.

It was still a Superman movie. Just featured a few other heroes.

I do like that he was challenged though. Up until they used the Kryptonite again. for such a rare metal his villains always seem to be able find some when they need it. Cliche at this point.

To be fair, it's not like Lex or humans had access to Kryptonite. Metamorpho created Kryptonite as a part of his powerset.

Superman's other major weakness is red sunlight, but no one in-universe knows that yet (not even Supes). Earth doesn't have a red sun, so a villain would have to trap Superman in a windowless room with a red sun lamp or transport him to a planet with a red sun.

 

[Luke Cage]

It was still a Superman movie. Just featured a few other heroes.

There was an extended sequence where superman was captured and offscreen where they gave a dedicated action sequence to a character who is probably not going to appear in the sequel. Thats a clear spinoff scene. And you don't usually see that in a characters solo movie. Except iron man 2, when they gave black widow her own hallway sequence

 

[King Static X]

There was an extended sequence where superman was captured and offscreen where they gave a dedicated action sequence to a character who is probably not going to appear in the sequel. Thats a clear spinoff scene. And you don't usually see that in a characters solo movie. Except iron man 2, when they gave black widow her own hallway sequence

Sure, and there's nothing wrong with that. I disagree with James Gunn on certain things (and I've made it known in this thread).

On this subject, I have no problems with his decision. Setting up characters for other projects is the right way to go. Otherwise you would need an origin movie or show for every character lol.

 

[Luke Cage]

Sure, and there's nothing wrong with that. I disagree with James Gunn on certain things (and I've made it known in this thread).

On this subject, I have no problems with his decision. Setting up characters for other projects is the right way to go. Otherwise you would need an origin movie or show for every character lol.

I like origin movies. I only have a problem with reboots and then doing the same stories over and over.
That could be origins, or it could be lazy attempts at the phoenix saga. Its repetition that's the issue not origin stories.
if you are introducing a new character i would actually appreciate an origin story.

but my point wasn't really about origin stories. Its about solo stories. I would rather see a superman movie than a justice gang movie featuring superman.

 

[King Static X]

but my point wasn't really about origin stories. Its about solo stories. I would rather see a superman movie than a justice gang movie featuring superman.

It was a Superman movie featuring the Justice Gang. I don't know what else to tell you

 

[Luke Cage]

It was a Superman movie featuring the Justice Gang. I don't know what else to tell you

It didn't ruin the movie for me. Just saying i rank it with Iron man 2 for the same reason. I like iron man 2, just liked iron man 1 better

 

[Larry]

I preferred the world building over a standalone origin story. Got me excited for both more Guy and more terrific so it was effective. Most people seem to share that sentiment too. With DC trying to relaunch its universe I almost feel like it’s the route they HAD to go. We ain’t got time to get introduced to one character at a time. Get that shyt poppin now. Not tryna see the first linkup in 2035

 

[Luke Cage]

I preferred the world building over a standalone origin story. Got me excited for both more Guy and more terrific so it was effective. More people seem to share that sentiment too. With DC trying to relaunch its universe I almost feel like it’s the route they HAD to go. We ain’t got time to get introduced to one character at a time. Get that shyt poppin now. Not tryna see the first linkup in 2035

Thats the same mistake they made last time. Rushing to get where the MCU was. MCU took its time and built up to it. DC tries to do the same thing in 2 or 3 movies,

 

[Ironman]

It was still a Superman movie. Just featured a few other heroes.


To be fair, it's not like Lex or humans had access to Kryptonite. Metamorpho created Kryptonite as a part of his powerset.

Superman's other major weakness is red sunlight, but no one in-universe knows that yet (not even Supes). Earth doesn't have a red sun, so a villain would have to trap Superman in a windowless room with a red sun lamp or transport him to a planet with a red sun.

He does know actually. At the end when Supergirl comes he mentions she goes to planets with red suns so she can get drunk.

 

[King Static X]

He does know actually. At the end when Supergirl comes he mentions she goes to planets with red suns so she can get drunk.

I actually don't remember that. That scene went by fairly quickly, though.

Well, no villains know that yet, so let's see what happens.

 

[Black Excellence]

Thats the same mistake they made last time. Rushing to get where the MCU was. MCU took its time and built up to it. DC tries to do the same thing in 2 or 3 movies,

Eh. What works for Marvel isn’t the Bible for every superhero movie.

Spoiler

If DC takes its time and builds up their heroes people would just say they’re mimicking MCU.

DCU messed up because they made mid-bad movies while also chasing MCU.

With this DCEU iteration the main thing it has going is they’re building character depth while telling modern stories.

We honestly don’t need origin films. People cling to that because that’s traditionally what’s been done but a good writer and storyteller can condense that while giving you great motivations and stakes.

Perfect example, a lot of people watch The Dark Knight and don’t even realize Batman Begins was the predecessor.

Why?

Because the villains, the stakes, the plot, the visuals, the sound editing, the cinematography. It feels like a standalone compared to Batman Begins (ie: Terminator 2, Aliens).

That film is so damn good that it didn’t need a Joker origin story, instead you got tidbits of who he was while you watched it & it enhanced the intrigue of the character.