SUPERMAN by James Gunn (OUT now)

[Silver Surfer]

I have read both just curious what your point is?

Folks that didn't understand the movie would see he basically took bits from those comics with the tone and style

 

[Silver Surfer]

The second part of your number 2 is what really stuck out to me. That didn't feel like something Superman would do. What as many people picking apart Man of Steel with saying he was doing things Superman wouldn't do, I'm surprised they haven't been pointing out that scene

You guys do not read the comics. The point of that scene was to show in that world Superman and those guys face random threats on a regular basis and superhero stuff is like a daily job. He even make a comment about how they "can handle it"....he'll its shown even in a couple of the cartoons how they face the "monster of the week"

You guys really just want Man of Steel 2 sci fi movie....not a Superman Comic portrayal

 

[Jaguar93]

I can actually see Mr. Mxyzptlk existing in this universe lol.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

You guys do not read the comics. The point of that scene was to show in that world Superman and those guys face random threats on a regular basis and superhero stuff is like a daily job. He even make a comment about how they "can handle it"....he'll its shown even in a couple of the cartoons how they face the "monster of the week"

You guys really just want Man of Steel 2 sci fi movie....not a Superman Comic portrayal

If you have to read the comics to understand a movie then that's not a very good movie. That's a big reason why this film is a mess and all over the place. He didn't develop any of the characters so you don't care about any of them. If you didn't know who Mr terrific was before seeing this movie you still wont know once its over. Nothing is actually explained in this movie. Got a random godzilla monster from Lex just appearing out of nowhere. No explaination why it grew or where its from or why its attacking in the first place. Superman saving squirrels for no reason (does he not care about ants?) . Just one random scene to the next with some corny jokes thrown in. Its funny how overly critical you guys were on Synder films but overlook and dismiss all the same and actually bigger flaws in gunn's film.

 

[Diunx]

I feel like I'm living in bizarro world.

I went with my brother and two friends to see this today. We all gave it a 4 or a 5 out of 10. James Gunn tried to Thor Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy this shyt.

This shyt was mad corny and I'm going to go into depth on this while it's fresh on my mind.

Spoiler

1. If you're going to reboot a franchise as big as Superman you CANNOT forgo the origin story - you can't just 'Star Wars wall of text' that stuff! We go into the movie with no pretext on how Superman became Superman, the trials and tribulations he had to endure, what caused him to have such unwavering moral standards - none of it. For adults familiar with his story, its not a big deal, but if you are rebooting this for a new generation then they will have no pretext to a literal beacon of morality with the power to back it up.

2. Too many humorous parts that didn't land. It's not that there were too many funny instances, I'm okay with that, it's that the jokes didnt land 50% of the time. Krypto being an unruly dog can only work so many times. When the dog ragdolled Lex at the end, I literally put my hands on my face like ... come the fukk on. Mr. Terrific and Green Lantern did a great job keeping the lighthearted tonality but still maintaining a serious tone when it was needed (not Green Lantern with the middle finger tank flipping scene.. CORNY).

Superman prioritizing settling a debate and working on his relationship with Lois Lane over tending to the alien battle going on in the window with the Justice 'Gang' is totally off kilter. Sure, he values his relation with Lois Lane. Would he sit back and not help his comrades in a battle that threatens lives in Metropolis? Naaaah dawg.

3. The emotional scenes just didn't hit. I didn't care about Lois Lane whatsoever. The scene with Clark and his father outside of the house fell flat as it seemed that Clark was the father figure in that instance. His mother displaying no motherly bone whatsoever and calling the father mushy because he cared just struck me as weird, not good or bad, just weird. There were really no heavy moments or significant tension in this movie that made you stop eating your popcorn or sit on the edge of your seat to see what would happen, it was totally low stakes background noise.

4. Building on number three, Superman gets his ass whooped in 95% of the movie yet you never feel concerned. Granted, its Superman so I'll give that a pass but no scene in this movie made you worried or feel like the odds were in danger of changing to the villains favor. The only scene that made me feel like, "Damn... that really happened", was the moment when Lex Luthor was playing russian roulette with the arab guy and killed him. Everybody I was with, including me laughed - I was surprised it happened, but it was so inconsequential that it really didn't matter nor did I have any kind of emotional connection with him. Superman underperformed in his reaction to that moment.

5. .....fukk it, I'm not writing anymore lol. There were some good elements in this movie, particular the Justice 'Gang' scenes, Mr. Terrific especially. Lex Luthor was played by Hoult pretty well. The extra characters such as the president of Bravia (or whatever its called), Ahmed (the arab sacrifice), the robots in the fortress of Solitude, even Eve (I think thats her name, mutant toes). The production was off the charts, very well done. The sound, soundtrack, special effects (except when he was flying, my brother pointed out how you can tell his face is CGI applied onto the head during those sequences).

I am not Snydergang. I do love MoS. I can enjoy Justice League but I hate hate hate Rebel Moon and everything related to it. He is a director that needs to be reeled in with a good script and confined strictly to directorial status only.

I do prefer a more serious, darker Superman - why? Because as adults, we see the world differently than we did when we were kids. Kids are full of hope, purity, innocence and we align more with the idea that things are black and white. As adults we come to understand the nuances of what life brings you, situations that aren't easily solved, morals that are tested, pyrrhic victories, redemptive losses. My friend said this movie seemed to be made more for kids, and I agreed with him. It's surface level, flashy, puddle depth, lighthearted and attempts to be too 'catchy'. But like I said earlier, if there's no origin story for the kids, then it doesn't do well there either.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

Didn't even bothered to read the rest after you say we needed to see yet another Superman origin story

 

[Diunx]

If you have to read the comics to understand a movie then that's not a very good movie. That's a big reason why this film is a mess and all over the place. He didn't develop any of the characters so you don't care about any of them. If you didn't know who Mr terrific was before seeing this movie you still wont know once its over. Nothing is actually explained in this movie. Got a random godzilla monster from Lex just appearing out of nowhere. No explaination why it grew or where its from or why its attacking in the first place. Superman saving squirrels for no reason (does he not care about ants?) . Just one random scene to the next with some corny jokes thrown in. Its funny how overly critical you guys were on Synder films but overlook and dismiss all the same and actually bigger flaws in gunn's film.

Jesus you need everything explained to you? You wanted two hours of exposition? The Kaiju was one some Lex fukkery, was it an Alien? A genetic experiment a cross dimensional creature? We don't know and that's ok, neither did Superman which is why he wanted to study it.

Mr Terrific is some super smart guy that became a superhero, we might get his origin later on but it wasn't hard to figure out what he was about, did you also needed the origin of Lando or Bobba Fett in Empire?

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

You guys do not read the comics.

https://www.thecoli.com/search/1457375/?page=1

Even in this thread I've mentioned my favorite run of Superman.

The point of that scene was to show in that world Superman and those guys face random threats on a regular basis and superhero stuff is like a daily job. He even make a comment about how they "can handle it"....he'll its shown even in a couple of the cartoons how they face the "monster of the week"

You guys really just want Man of Steel 2 sci fi movie....not a Superman Comic portrayal

if that exact scene was in the Justice League movie you know you wouldn't be trying to justify it

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

Folks that didn't understand the movie would see he basically took bits from those comics with the tone and style

He took queues from All star in regards to the fantastical elements but the humour is what’s throwing some off. I think you can delve into fantastical without over saturating with humour. I don’t see elements of Kingdom Come in this though, he actually got on with the Justice gang and their views never really clash besides the brief oh shucks after the

Spoiler: Sp

death of the Kaiju

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[Supa]

Yeah same here I went in with tempered expectation the second time as opposed to wanting to walk into the greatest cinematic experience of my life. I took in the movie more and the moments, I honestly believe with close revision Gunn vision could be crafted into something epic. He needs to drop certain quirks that he has which makes him insert certain things into his movies. Humour isn’t a bad thing when done moderately and in line with the appropriate moments which is something he should take onboard.


I pray and hope he listens to some of the criticism levied towards the movie as not all of it is blind hate. Some fans are genuinely just frustrated at some choices made as we can see how epic this can all be. I see some people already saying Gunn shouldn’t direct again and just be a producer but I would like to give him another crack at things provided he can revise some aspects and tighten up the script.

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The pocket dimension was introduced as something dark but you have Krypto chasing squirrels, monkeys on social media, Lex's exes, and Krypto being silly during the escape. The jokes negate the environment.

The monkeys were the most egregious because that's clearly Gunn poking fun at the trolls he's interacted with. That's a breaking the 4th wall joke and it took me out of the movie for a second. It also made Lex look a clown.

All that was unnecessary and detracted from the story. Delete that and Jimmy's subplot with Eve and you'd have most of the forced humor out.

Why are Lex, Ultraman, and The Engineer going to the Fortress of Solitude with Eve? A comic relief character wasn't needed but Gunn shoehorned her in to make her the reason Lex's plan fell apart from taking selfies

No one can tell me the Eve subplot wasn't awful and it's a major part of the movie.

I'd be fine with Gunn not directing the next movie. His schtick might work better for Teen Titans. For me it didn't work for Superman.

 

[Hopeofmypeople]

You guys do not read the comics. The point of that scene was to show in that world Superman and those guys face random threats on a regular basis and superhero stuff is like a daily job. He even make a comment about how they "can handle it"....he'll its shown even in a couple of the cartoons how they face the "monster of the week"

You guys really just want Man of Steel 2 sci fi movie....not a Superman Comic portrayal

A lot of people bout to expose themselves, can’t remember in what issue but when Kyle first became Ion and was all powerful and he was ending alien invasions with a thought. I swear there was a part where Superman sat it out because Kyle could handle it and was all powerful or he got bummed out because he wasn’t needed because Kyle handled it. It’s been so long hopefully I am not remembering wrong. Point is if the situation can be handled by another Supes can wait it out as long as innocent lives are not involved.

 

[Black Excellence]

If you have to read the comics to understand a movie then that's not a very good movie. That's a big reason why this film is a mess and all over the place. He didn't develop any of the characters so you don't care about any of them. If you didn't know who Mr terrific was before seeing this movie you still wont know once its over. Nothing is actually explained in this movie. Got a random godzilla monster from Lex just appearing out of nowhere. No explaination why it grew or where its from or why its attacking in the first place. Superman saving squirrels for no reason (does he not care about ants?) . Just one random scene to the next with some corny jokes thrown in. Its funny how overly critical you guys were on Synder films but overlook and dismiss all the same and actually bigger flaws in gunn's film.

Why would you need all of that explained?

Films aren’t a 1:1 size fits all.

Some movies it works where the scripts explains every intricate detail, others it isn’t necessary. Gunn was shooting for a day in the life of a superhero figuring shyt out while dealing with the chaos in his love life, professional life & personal life, it doesn’t need random lines to point out why he’s saving squirrels, or a Kaiju coming from nowhere.

Certain character traits are just fundamentally unique to a person. Do we need an explanation of why Guy was an a$$hole or why Krypto doesn’t listen to Superman/does his own thing or why Lois had quips? Or why Clark’s parents talk like country hicks?

You’re projecting a personal nitpick into it being a critical flaw when it’s not the case.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

Jesus you need everything explained to you? You wanted two hours of exposition? The Kaiju was one some Lex fukkery, was it an Alien? A genetic experiment a cross dimensional creature? We don't know and that's ok, neither did Superman which is why he wanted to study it.

Mr Terrific is some super smart guy that became a superhero, we might get his origin later on but it wasn't hard to figure out what he was about, did you also needed the origin of Lando or Bobba Fett in Empire?

Keep that same energy with snyder films then. All that fake outrage and criticism.. "superman can't kill zod!" Even though it's clear in the film zod gave him no choice... yall acted like yall couldn't fill in the blanks when it was spelled out for you in synder films.. but now you can fill in all these gaps and plot holes in this movie..

But, Yes i like my movies to have discernible plots and character development.

 

[Nigerianwonder]

A lot of people bout to expose themselves, can’t remember in what issue but when Kyle first became Ion and was all powerful and he was ending alien invasions with a thought. I swear there was a part where Superman sat it out because Kyle could handle it and was all powerful or he got bummed out because he wasn’t needed because Kyle handled it. It’s been so long hopefully I am not remembering wrong. Point is if the situation can be handled by another Supes can wait it out as long as innocent lives are not involved.

Justice gang clearly didn't care about killing people and collateral damage. How could superman sit back and trust them to handle it properly? What about all the squirrels that could die?

 

[Diunx]

Keep that same energy with snyder films then. All that fake outrage and criticism.. "superman can't kill zod!" Even though it's clear in the film zod gave him no choice... yall acted like yall couldn't fill in the blanks when it was spelled out for you in synder films.. but now you can fill in all these gaps and plot holes in this movie..

But, Yes i like my movies to have discernible plots and character development.

My problem with Snyder's film was that they were fukking shyt, like most of his films.

Should had figured out you were a Snyder cry baby

 

[Silver Surfer]

https://www.thecoli.com/search/1457375/?page=1

Even in this thread I've mentioned my favorite run of Superman.



if that exact scene was in the Justice League movie you know you wouldn't be trying to justify it

Justice League was absolute trash...and comparing it to this movie make no sense

Its not the same tone, same quality, same pace or anything

There is nothing to justify.

Just say you don't know anything about the Superman comics and your only frame of reference is the MOS movie and the other Snyder joints.

Do you even know about "All Star Superman" or "For all Seasons"?

You nikkas got exposed on this movie