SUPERMAN by James Gunn (OUT now)

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Lex has been studying this Superman for years and from what we saw in this movie his intellect is on a supernatural level (the man made a fukking pocket dimension for crying out loud). Which was the reason he was getting knocked around, they mention in the movie it was his first defeat. So for the three years he has been around this is the first time he was getting knocked around. I do think Gunn needs to scale the power level up. As in the opening crawl it mentioned Supes as the strongest meta. In these kind of movies you want to scale up.
I get why Lex had the upper hand, I'm just not a fan of the main protagonist getting mopped the whole time. I didn't come to see Superman get his ass beat for nearly 2 hrs. That's just not good storytelling to me and especially for a character like this.
 

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Nah in Man of Steel even when he was getting jumped by the two kryptonians he still get his licks in. He damn near knocked Faora out and he obviously killed General Zod. He was not getting his ass beat like the Superman in this movie.
nikka faora was giving him the business before namek even jumped in. He only got the one good hit in when she was distracted.

Zod was giving him the work too but he held his own.

Ultraman had the edge because he was being controlled. Then he got jumped as well.

They both got beat up a lot they made cavil loss to batman and doomsday like be fr
 

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I really don't get people that want a God like Superman, that just doesn't make for a good movie, you want the bad guys to actually have a chance to win and you want a good back and forth fight.

Like I have said many times here Superman being so powerful is his biggest flaw as a character, over the decades writers kept adding nonsense powers and making him stronger and stronger ( at one point he was moving several planets at the same time) until we got to this point were people see him struggling as a negative.
 

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I get why Lex had the upper hand, I'm just not a fan of the main protagonist getting mopped the whole time. I didn't come to see Superman get his ass beat for nearly 2 hrs. That's just not good storytelling to me and especially for a character like this.
I agree you always want the character to have his hero moment. Which I think he did once Krypto chewed up those cameras. He started laying the beat down on Ultraman and ended Lexs squad quick time. The fact he was check mated on every avenue even down to his moves in combat was to highlight Lex’s brilliance. And leaned into the whole brain beats brawn thing. No one in the movie was close to a match for him apart from Ultraman who was built up to be his perfect counter. I do agree in that we need more Super in the man. Gunn needs to scale him up especially if his taking inspiration from All Star Superman and the Silver age.
 

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I’m hearing he gets his ASS BEAT REPEATEDLY in this one

I know our DC Click Youngboy just responded to you but to give a little more context without spoiling it for you.

There is a lot more context, nuance and detail that’s going into those “beat downs” that you must not be hearing.

Like imagine Batman with a few years of Prep Time…. It was more like that and I already said too much
 

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Yeah,we can move on after our victory lap:blessed:


Been having to hear Snyderverse fans talk about the Snyderverse for a decade. Basically praying that Gunns universe would flop and be universally panned so they could say "told you so". Trashing the trailers,trashing the designs,the color. Now its "Bu bu but why we still talking about the Snyderverse:why:?"



To the victor goes the spoils,we are now in the proccess of rounding up any remaining Zack Snyder loyalist for execution and tearing down any monuments.


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Then we can move on to a brighter day:wow:

This movie is kinda flopping internationally, will it even outgross MoS from ten years ago?
 

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I really don't get people that want a God like Superman, that just doesn't make for a good movie, you want the bad guys to actually have a chance to win and you want a good back and forth fight.

Like I have said many times here Superman being so powerful is his biggest flaw as a character, over the decades writers kept adding nonsense powers and making him stronger and stronger ( at one point he was moving several planets at the same time) until we got to this point were people see him struggling as a negative.
It’s comics we get of on who the strongest is, look at how people are jizzing over Sentry purely of his perceived “invincibility”. You can always present him with physical challenges with the foes he faces and challenges that offer up moral conundrums besides the physical.
 

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I know our DC Click Youngboy just responded to you but to give a little more context without spoiling it for you.

There is a lot more context, nuance and detail that’s going into those “beat downs” that you must not be hearing.

Like imagine Batman with a few years of Prep Time…. It was more like that and I already said too much
Let them follower ass people believe what they want to
 

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nikka faora was giving him the business before namek even jumped in. He only got the one good hit in when she was distracted.

Zod was giving him the work too but he held his own.

Ultraman had the edge because he was being controlled. Then he got jumped as well.

They both got beat up a lot they made cavil loss to batman and doomsday like be fr
He still got his licks in on her and he was fighting them both at the same time and he and zod were basically even. Neither gained an upper
hand for real until the end.

And I said I know why Lex had his number, I just don't like the protagonist getting beat down the whole movie.

I agree you always want the character to have his hero moment. Which I think he did once Krypto chewed up those cameras. He started laying the beat down on Ultraman and ended Lexs squad quick time. The fact he was check mated on every avenue even down to his moves in combat was to highlight Lex’s brilliance. And leaned into the whole brain beats brawn thing. No one in the movie was close to a match for him apart from Ultraman who was built up to be his perfect counter. I do agree in that we need more Super in the man. Gunn needs to scale him up especially if his taking inspiration from All Star Superman and the Silver age.
Yeah, but that wasn't the point I was getting at. He still got his ass beat the entire movie. He barely even did anything against the big monster. Not too mention the kryptonite part. Literally the very end of the movie he stopped getting his ass handed to him. It's underwhelming to say the least.
 

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He still got his licks in on her and he was fighting them both at the same time and he and zod were basically even. Neither gained an upper
hand for real until the end.

And I said I know why Lex had his number, I just don't like the protagonist getting beat down the whole movie.


Yeah, but that wasn't the point I was getting at. He still got his ass beat the entire movie. He barely even did anything against the big monster. Not too mention the kryptonite part. Literally the very end of the movie he stopped getting his ass handed to him. It's underwhelming to say the least.
He got licks in on nam in their quick 1v1, he had a slight edge on zod but he was closing the gap once he shedded the suit.

As far the new movie you making it seem he was getting washed by a weakling it was first time really just struggling Superman soloing everything with no difficulty is boring.
 

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I feel like I'm living in bizarro world.

I went with my brother and two friends to see this today. We all gave it a 4 or a 5 out of 10. James Gunn tried to Thor Ragnarok and Guardians of the Galaxy this shyt.

This shyt was mad corny and I'm going to go into depth on this while it's fresh on my mind.

1. If you're going to reboot a franchise as big as Superman you CANNOT forgo the origin story - you can't just 'Star Wars wall of text' that stuff! We go into the movie with no pretext on how Superman became Superman, the trials and tribulations he had to endure, what caused him to have such unwavering moral standards - none of it. For adults familiar with his story, its not a big deal, but if you are rebooting this for a new generation then they will have no pretext to a literal beacon of morality with the power to back it up.

2. Too many humorous parts that didn't land. It's not that there were too many funny instances, I'm okay with that, it's that the jokes didnt land 50% of the time. Krypto being an unruly dog can only work so many times. When the dog ragdolled Lex at the end, I literally put my hands on my face like ... come the fukk on. Mr. Terrific and Green Lantern did a great job keeping the lighthearted tonality but still maintaining a serious tone when it was needed (not Green Lantern with the middle finger tank flipping scene.. CORNY).

Superman prioritizing settling a debate and working on his relationship with Lois Lane over tending to the alien battle going on in the window with the Justice 'Gang' is totally off kilter. Sure, he values his relation with Lois Lane. Would he sit back and not help his comrades in a battle that threatens lives in Metropolis? Naaaah dawg.

3. The emotional scenes just didn't hit. I didn't care about Lois Lane whatsoever. The scene with Clark and his father outside of the house fell flat as it seemed that Clark was the father figure in that instance. His mother displaying no motherly bone whatsoever and calling the father mushy because he cared just struck me as weird, not good or bad, just weird. There were really no heavy moments or significant tension in this movie that made you stop eating your popcorn or sit on the edge of your seat to see what would happen, it was totally low stakes background noise.

4. Building on number three, Superman gets his ass whooped in 95% of the movie yet you never feel concerned. Granted, its Superman so I'll give that a pass but no scene in this movie made you worried or feel like the odds were in danger of changing to the villains favor. The only scene that made me feel like, "Damn... that really happened", was the moment when Lex Luthor was playing russian roulette with the arab guy and killed him. Everybody I was with, including me laughed - I was surprised it happened, but it was so inconsequential that it really didn't matter nor did I have any kind of emotional connection with him. Superman underperformed in his reaction to that moment.

5. .....fukk it, I'm not writing anymore lol. There were some good elements in this movie, particular the Justice 'Gang' scenes, Mr. Terrific especially. Lex Luthor was played by Hoult pretty well. The extra characters such as the president of Bravia (or whatever its called), Ahmed (the arab sacrifice), the robots in the fortress of Solitude, even Eve (I think thats her name, mutant toes). The production was off the charts, very well done. The sound, soundtrack, special effects (except when he was flying, my brother pointed out how you can tell his face is CGI applied onto the head during those sequences).

I am not Snydergang. I do love MoS. I can enjoy Justice League but I hate hate hate Rebel Moon and everything related to it. He is a director that needs to be reeled in with a good script and confined strictly to directorial status only.

I do prefer a more serious, darker Superman - why? Because as adults, we see the world differently than we did when we were kids. Kids are full of hope, purity, innocence and we align more with the idea that things are black and white. As adults we come to understand the nuances of what life brings you, situations that aren't easily solved, morals that are tested, pyrrhic victories, redemptive losses. My friend said this movie seemed to be made more for kids, and I agreed with him. It's surface level, flashy, puddle depth, lighthearted and attempts to be too 'catchy'. But like I said earlier, if there's no origin story for the kids, then it doesn't do well there either.

Am I the only one who feels this way?
I disagree with most of this but

the dog/luthor scene was straight out of Hulk and Loki where the audience gets to experience the bad guy getting messed up when the hero couldn’t do It, the Hulk/Loki scene was because Ironman physically couldn’t beat Loki and in this Krypto roughed up Luthor scene was because it would be morally wrong for Superman to do it and also out of place and belittling to Superman if Mr. Terrific did it. That whole scene was so people could feel the pleasure at Luthor getting beat up and not think less of Superman for doing it.

Also as a comic nerd the issue with Superman not getting his ass beat is it makes him to powerful and boring. I think Gunn used a lot of what they did is the DCAU cartoons to tone Superman down some and keep in mind the only person he really fights with is another KryptonIan, or Kryptonite is involved, or he is too busy trying to save a baby to fight back. Everything else is easy for him.
 
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He got licks in on nam in their quick 1v1, he had a slight edge on zod but he was closing the gap once he shedded the suit.

As far the new movie you making it seem he was getting washed by a weakling it was first time really just struggling Superman soloing everything with no difficulty is boring.
Weakling or not don't have you main character losing that much.
 

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I really don't get people that want a God like Superman, that just doesn't make for a good movie, you want the bad guys to actually have a chance to win and you want a good back and forth fight.

Like I have said many times here Superman being so powerful is his biggest flaw as a character, over the decades writers kept adding nonsense powers and making him stronger and stronger ( at one point he was moving several planets at the same time) until we got to this point were people see him struggling as a negative.

That's why you have to establish power scaling.

They opened the movie with Superman bloody and defeated from a fight we didn't see. Then he's handicapped without a full recharge. He's trying not to hurt the Kaiju so he's not showing his strength there either.

He didn't fight like Superman until the last fight and he was getting washed there too. Normally you see strength at the beginning, the hero takes an L midway, and wins in the end.
 

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Lowkey I think if Gunn had the balls to do it recast the actors from the Snyder verse and make a movie that plays on injustice the game storyline and have the heroes from Gunn universe fight the darker heroes from the Snyder verse. Not only would it shyt on the whole multiverse thing marvel is doing. It would close the story on the Snyder verse and give its fans closure. Snyder’s universe was always heading there and and also all the actors are still young enough to do it.

DC’s always had the better multiverse stories…..
 
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